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XBox One; Because Microsoft couldn't think of a better name.
Topic Started: Feb 12 2012, 10:55 AM (13,275 Views)
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>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.


For some odd reason, this does make sense to me. I usually don't trade my games in for this very reason.

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>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road


Again this makes sense too, but I'd like this to be proven. Actions speaks louder than words M$.

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>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.


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>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh


I do have hope in this statement because it shows they know they were fucked over with E3 and that they know it seems ridiculous about the timing. As far as the system itself, I could check in and it be no problem, but I want to know I'm covered in that one rare-as-hell situation.

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I still don't get how THEIR DRM is similar to Steam; I can install Steam on any other computer and redownload all the software I've purchased, FOR FREE, and they'll still be available to me ten years later. Also, I'm given the ability to run these games outside of Steam's client, therefore not requiring an online connection to run them.

This guy's full of shit and he knows it, which is evident by how he's using "then" instead of "than".


I'm not familiar with Steam, so enlighten me Psycho. If you can re install and re download your software to any machine, you could do that with the Xbone couldn't you? Since it's all cloud based and connected to your live account?

And it's really guaranteed 10 years worth? For real? (Totally being naive because I have no idea how steam works.)

And the games play as a stand alone application without the client? That is cool as hell!
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Jun 14 2013, 06:44 PM
I'm not familiar with Steam, so enlighten me Psycho. If you can re install and re download your software to any machine, you could do that with the Xbone couldn't you? Since it's all cloud based and connected to your live account?

And it's really guaranteed 10 years worth? For real? (Totally being naive because I have no idea how steam works.)

And the games play as a stand alone application without the client? That is cool as hell!
For the region locking reasons BL posted:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586406

So if I was in Storm's shoes, and moved to Georgia, I can't take my XBoner with me because it won't work there. This is double bad for the Middle East as we don't have a specific region (usually tied to Europe, but it's up to preference really). But I can install Steam anywhere I want to, without repercussions and get all my stuff back. It's not guaranteed 10 years, there is no time limit on the games you have, they're for life (I'm not sure what would happen in the event of expired licenses as that has been a problem for console based digital downloads). Yes, you have the ability to run games as standalone applications, without the use of the Steam client. I think there may be a few titles that are directly tied to Steam only, but yeah.

In all honesty, this guy just sounds like either a console loyalist or an undercover PR guy trying to calm down the informed masses with some key words that would get their attention (he keeps using "Steam" specifically because everyone can identify with it). This stuff is also, in essence, claiming it's competing with Valve's supposed, upcoming Steambox console, which would be no contest as, if it did happen, people will automatically go with what they know as reliable and stable. Either way, if any of this crap is true, it doesn't account for all the TELEVISION, SPORTS, TELEVISION, TELEVISION, SPORTS, SMARTGLASS crap they're using to SELL the console. Fact of the matter is, Microsoft tried to create a videogame console that does everything but run games properly, something Sony has been heckled for for the past two generations, especially with the PS3 during launch. Instead of learning from their competitor's mistakes, they thought they could one up them and bombed miserably. Now they're trying to do damage control in every possible way, from their not XBoner games at E3, to harassing people at Best Buy, to this.

They're just done, long term plan be damned.
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Well I understand it better now, thanks for the enlightenment.

I don't see this as a problem for me, as I'm the the good ol' Southern US OF A. But I would imagine it being a bitch for the other countries stuck on the outside ring of non-service. It's really not good for a company of this magnitude to offer something in specific regions like that...

And no it doesn't account for HOW they were selling, but I'd be more damned inclined to buy it, granted the things were gonna' change for the better. I mean, the reason I didn't get a Wii U was because of software not backing it, and that point is clearly moot because Nintendo has a lot coming that would convince me otherwise.

I don't know, I'm more pissed off about all of this than I am hopeful....I just want to wake up and see that all of this is just some sick twisted dream ><.
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Jun 14 2013, 07:39 PM
Well I understand it better now, thanks for the enlightenment.

I don't see this as a problem for me, as I'm the the good ol' Southern US OF A. But I would imagine it being a bitch for the other countries stuck on the outside ring of non-service. It's really not good for a company of this magnitude to offer something in specific regions like that...

And no it doesn't account for HOW they were selling, but I'd be more damned inclined to buy it, granted the things were gonna' change for the better. I mean, the reason I didn't get a Wii U was because of software not backing it, and that point is clearly moot because Nintendo has a lot coming that would convince me otherwise.

I don't know, I'm more pissed off about all of this than I am hopeful....I just want to wake up and see that all of this is just some sick twisted dream ><.
I remember you saying the only reason you were holding out on this thing was for Halo. I dunno, is one title (or even one franchise) really a justifiable reason to invest in something like this, especially considering how it is everything that's wrong with the industry right now? Not trying to condemn people's choice in console or to look down on anyone (because I already got a mouthful from a deluded and blind console loyalist on Facebook who claimed anything but, despite how he was the one making first remarks on my status) but, quite frankly, I think the only people who would really buy this thing are either the people who would be interested in the tech implications of the device (in the sense that they'd love to take it apart and see what makes it tick, because otherwise, a PC will always outperform), or the kind of gamer who's never played anything aside from Xbox their whole life, has never considered a game by a Japanese studio/publisher aside from maybe Sonic the Hedgehog, and would never consider playing a 2D game in their life. Also, purchasing a yearly instalment of a sports title tends to be part of the package, but not always, and their preferred genre is usually FPSes, even going out of their way to buy crap games because it's one of the few genres that really interest them.

Yes, there are people like that (said blind loyalist probably fits under that category to some extent); from my experience, they're probably Microsoft's most loyal, core fanbase and they're the minority who are probably going to actually invest in the XBoner day one or, at a later date, even when the console still has nothing of value to offer the consumer, or the industry as a whole.

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For both consoles, I'm waiting to see the final execution before I throw my money in.
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I like Halo, but I'm more than willing to wait for Xbox to retract many of its problems before I will touch Halo again.

That reminds me. I'm thinking of getting Halo 4 again so Arcana here has a cool mang to play with.
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Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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Jun 14 2013, 08:34 PM
Yes, there are people like that (said blind loyalist probably fits under that category to some extent); from my experience, they're probably Microsoft's most loyal, core fanbase and they're the minority who are probably going to actually invest in the XBoner day one or, at a later date, even when the console still has nothing of value to offer the consumer, or the industry as a whole.
I'm exactly like Enzan.

And its not that I'm holding out for Halo, but I know that it is a title that interests me. And I do get your not throwing off on anyone (hell I saw your conversation on Facebook so I know what and who you speak of).

And I know I wouldn't buy it to see how it runs, I'm not that guy, and I don't believe I fit the other description you accurately pointed out |P)

And for whatever reason, I forgot that the Wii U had a TV feature as well ><.

And that video was hilarious. "GO AWAY WII NOBODY LIKES YOU!!!"

EDIT: Hell Yeah Arem! I don't play as much because it's so hard to find a crew to roll with! :)

DOUBLE EDIT: Arem, go to the Video Game Character Showdown, we need your DMC expertise!

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Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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Just Add Water, developers of Oddworld, are abandoning the Xbone in protest of Microsoft's draconian practices - specifically, the inability to self-publish.

Can we hold out for this being the first of many?
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Jun 14 2013, 09:42 PM
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Yes, there are people like that (said blind loyalist probably fits under that category to some extent); from my experience, they're probably Microsoft's most loyal, core fanbase and they're the minority who are probably going to actually invest in the XBoner day one or, at a later date, even when the console still has nothing of value to offer the consumer, or the industry as a whole.
I'm exactly like Enzan.
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Considering there are very few women who actively post here, I'll be the judge of that.
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Blacklightning
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I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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Considering there are very few women who actively post here, I'll be the judge of that.
...I really hope you remember I'm a dude....

and that I have Bear Mace and C4.
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Hahaha. Well now >_<. Also I'm glad the dev is sticking up for themselves. Go them.
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Considering there are very few women who actively post here, I'll be the judge of that.
...I really hope you remember I'm a dude....

and that I have Bear Mace and C4.


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Blacklightning
Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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