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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Jan 4 2012, 10:00 AM Post #16 |
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| -Crimson Phoenix- | Jan 4 2012, 10:08 PM Post #17 |
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So in our paranoia as we've not seen since the Cold War, we're well on our way to becoming Fortress America, despite it being 10 years since 9/11 without any major attacks. Is this current Congress just lulling itself into believing that there's a cause and effect relationship between generating new legislation and no new attacks in the last decade? In this country, I should not live in fear of who I know or talk to or where I spend my time on the internet or how I shop if I violate no other laws. I shouldn't have to shit myself every time I see a black suburban with tinted windows rolling down my street. This new wording now somehow makes us all candidates for being profiled as terrorism suspects? Just how does this make us any safer than we were before? We have seen the enemy, and he is us. Edited by Crimson Phoenix, Jan 4 2012, 10:44 PM.
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 8 2012, 07:55 PM Post #18 |
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The US has always been a paranoid nation, but this is just taking it to crazy extremes. For a nation that prides itself on freedom to the point where it has to be mentioned around anything remotely patriotic, they're doing one hell of a job of creating a delusional police state by going through with this. |
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| -Spade- | Jan 9 2012, 08:19 PM Post #19 |
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^ The US prides itself in freedom as an image. The only time people can wholeheartedly believe that is before they read up on the politics within the country and how truly fucked up it is. This new section of the NDAA is just as Dr. Paul said, a form of martial law. Nobody in their right mind can justifiably support this (disagree? tell me why, seriously!). The Patriot Act should have served as an eye-opener for what was to come later on. There is no justification to giving up a citizens freedom (in any aspect) for the sake of countering terrorism (which is counter-productive as we've seen). From the Patriot Act to this junk, there will be more. I'm surprised that there are so many people who don't bother to read up on this or think of how it can affect them (not in the US? too bad because most countries will decide to follow suit with the US eventually). Let me actually throw this in here for the sake of it. For those who may have taken Political Science courses in college/university, is it hard to remember some of the first stuff they taught and kept re-teaching throughout the major itself?! Terrorists DO NOT abide to the same rules/laws as governments and the like. As one professor of mine said "Essentially, terrorists play a whole other ball game". As I said, it's counter-productive to try and fight terrorism. I doubt policing the world would create friends either, it would make sense that taking over another country would actually create some sort of insurgence. The NDAA is nothing more than just another form of the way I personally view the War on Drugs, a war on the citizens. Maybe I'm just in a gloomy mood from a lot of this however, sometimes I can't help but feel like people deserve this bullshit for being so lazy and uneducated enough to the point where this bullshit slides without problem, notice, or even care. |
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| -Crimson Phoenix- | Jan 10 2012, 12:24 AM Post #20 |
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The sad thing is, without thinking too hard about it, the average congressman seems to believe if you don't support the draconian measures that strip the common man of his freedoms in support of the war on terror, then you must support the terrorists! It's just a step or two below McCarthyism, and that's sad. |
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| -The Raging Zephyr- | Jan 10 2012, 03:33 AM Post #21 |
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I read the actual law. In no language does it state that videotaping animal cruelty is an act of terrorism. What it does say is the following: Threatening the owners of such businesses as zoos, animal farms, pet stores, etc. with physical harm can land you in jail for at least a couple years. Outright harming someone can land you up to 20 years, and killing them is instant life sentence. Now, if they can prove that videotaping their enterprises causes them serious financial loss, they are allowed to drop the hammer on you. A judge can either force you to spend time in jail or be forced to pay back every cent, and anything past costing them a heavy $1 mil can still land you up to 20 years. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Jan 10 2012, 03:58 AM Post #22 |
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Man, people need more freedom with what they can video record... |
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| -Crimson Phoenix- | Jan 10 2012, 09:09 AM Post #23 |
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On that subject, I'll just leave these here. Chicago Woman Arrested for Recording Cops Who Threatened Her after she was sexually assaulted by an officer in a previous incident. Rochester Woman Arrested After Videotaping Police From Her Own Front Yard |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Jan 10 2012, 11:09 AM Post #24 |
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I think we had a topic about the second link on here. The first one doesn't surprise me for some reason, no wait because it's Chicago. Chicago is so corrupted it should be called Gotham city. At least politically it's the most corrupted. Edited by Havoc the Tenrec, Jan 10 2012, 11:09 AM.
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 10 2012, 06:29 PM Post #25 |
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I personally don't get myself too involved into the details of politics because it confuses the hell out of me. I'm an idealist, I can't wrap my head around the double standards involved in how rulers today claim to keep the peace within the walls of their nations. Aside from that, Arab politics consists of the following: 1) Dickish ruler/monarchy imposes totalitarian rule, sometimes citing bastardised versions of Islamic law for reference 2) Said ruler/monarch above does whatever they can to make the most of being in charge and sucks the money from under the people's noses 3) People get on by living on the edge of the poverty line 4) People constantly bitch and moan about shit, but never do anything about it Of course, there are variations of this depending on the region; the Gulf is rich with resources and, as a result, the countries that are part of the GCC are pretty wealthy and well off. The people are still ignorant jackasses and the living conditions will be much worse for foreigners, depending on where you come from and what you're doing there. The rest of the region is just in constant turmoil, from the Levantine countries, to Iraq, to North Africa. You've all seen the news, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about, despite how skewed Western media portrays the Middle East. What I said in the "Hate" topic applies here too; people suffer for being ignorant and stupid. People claim to want change, but they're too afraid to do anything about it...and that's only if they know what they want to change and aren't just barking for ludicrous demands. Too much freedom is a stupid concept, it's what leads to corruption in the first place, but trying to fix it by going completely batshit and taking the opposite extreme? |
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| -Nageki- | Jan 16 2012, 04:20 AM Post #26 |
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The beginning of this is why Obama failed to veto the Act: |
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