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| American Censorship Day; 16/11/11 | |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Nov 16 2011, 05:14 AM Post #1 |
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Sauce Someone linked to this on Facebook and I thought it was pertinent. What do you guys think about all this? |
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| -Eternally Fallen- | Nov 16 2011, 06:57 AM Post #2 |
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Yeah, this looks like a disaster waiting to happen, if it passes. I know it's wishful thinking, but it would be nice if the people running the country would see how much of a mistake it would be to pass this and shut it down before it has a chance to become law. To quote this article:
Another interesting article. I mean, I can understand why some parties might not want piracy happening, but this is definitely not the best way to do it. In conclusion, I leave you with this:
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Nov 16 2011, 07:51 AM Post #3 |
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I can't understand how the government of a country that supposedly advertises itself off to the world as the capital of "freedom" (which is apparently a ridiculously subjective term) can let something like this pass with, from what everyone is saying, high chances of it happening. The economy is falling appart and collapsing, money is being thrown around over meaningless crap and now they want to censor the internet? This is as bad as videogame developers and publishers fighting piracy with DRM/online passes/DLC/whatever; you're not solving the problem by punishing everyone. The solution is obviously delegating more capital into a proper organisation to fighting piracy, making it more efficient and specialised. On that note, maybe it's time they rewrote the book on what's defined as piracy and what's public domain. Seriously America, get your shit together, you're looking more and more ridiculous everytime you do something newsworthy. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Nov 16 2011, 08:07 AM Post #4 |
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I don't know why this isn't a bigger story on the internet. For some reason when I try to read the few articles there are on the internet about this, I keep getting confused by double negatives and political lingo. Edited by Havoc the Tenrec, Nov 16 2011, 08:07 AM.
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Nov 16 2011, 10:48 AM Post #5 |
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This is how I feel about any topic concerning American politics. Like, I still don't even know what the hell Occupy Wall Street is really all about, because half the time it just sounds like people whining about wanting more money for nothing. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Nov 16 2011, 11:10 AM Post #6 |
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Politics in general need to be simplified so the average joe can keep up... imo. The terminology is just too much to jump into. I haven't been keeping up with it too much, but this is what I've heard from different sides. It's all about the 1% (being the "fat cats") who are earning more and more every year, and the working class is getting less and less. A pattern that needs to stop. A chart (at least one I saw somewhere) shows this too. The average person has been earning less and less every year, and it's even harder for people now, because of the job market. But on the other side, people defend the rich business owners because they are the ones who give us jobs, and without all that money they can't create new jobs. So, I'm not sure why they aren't just making more jobs... there's probably more to it, so I don't really voice an opinion because I just don't know much about it. Whenever I ask, they get into all the economic terms that I have no clue about... so I just ignore the whole thing. It doesn't stop me from looking up a few words... but it's too much to keep up with. You really need to know how every aspect of the way things work to have a solid educated opinion. It makes me feel stupid for not having a side to pick and not knowing more, but at least I'm not pretending to know what's going on like most people at these protests. And honestly it's hard for me to care too much. Back on the censorship, this one makes a lot more sense. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-15/google-friends-facebook-to-fight-hollywood-backed-piracy-measure.html So Google and Facebook are against this because it'll hurt their industry, which is probably true. But with all of the movie and software companies out there... I think they have more power on their side. Edited by Havoc the Tenrec, Nov 16 2011, 11:23 AM.
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Nov 17 2011, 01:31 AM Post #7 |
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Petition. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/stop-e-parasite-act/SWBYXX55 It already has the required 25,000... and its already gotten to over 30,000. Sign up anyway if you can. |
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| -The Raging Zephyr- | Nov 17 2011, 02:26 AM Post #8 |
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It's called outsourcing. The old American business model relied on factories filled with workers who were paid honest salaries. We've shut down most factories and take our shipments from places such as China, where we pay Chinese workers in Chinese factories, pay a tariff and transport fees to ship units of Chinese-made goods over here, and then the American consumers dump their money into Big Business who gets most of the cash for themselves. In a normal society, economy works sort of like this: A company has money. A company uses their money to make factories, thus being able to hire people. These people they hire get paid money to produce units in the factory. With the money that these people are paid, they spend it on goods, which are taxed. The taxes go to the government bodies, and the money paid are given to businesses that either make or ship the goods, which they can use to pay their workers. This is the essence of "per capita income", where a person is paid money for an incentive to put their money back into the economy, thus creating a stable loop. Unfortunately, by outsourcing to foreign nations, what we end up doing is paying other countries' workers so that they can put the money they earned back into THEIR OWN COUNTRY, not ours. Thus, we, as a whole, end up losing money, thus placing our country in a national debt. The trick is that this doesn't affect big business in any way negatively in the short term, because they keep making money and paying much less to keep their income flowing. Remember the stimulus package in 2008? Our government gave $700 billion to banks, with this false hope that the banks would buy mortgages and give out loans to needy people. Instead, the money was used for vacation pay and yachts. The issue is that what our country needs is a long-term goal towards setting the economy back to normal, a goal that may last through two or three presidents in a legacy, and instead all the big-wigs can only worry about money for themselves in the short-term. Back to banks, we have a central bank called the Federal Reserve. This bank was set up by Woodrow Wilson to act as an outside force to the entire government, an organization designed to help other banks and the government. Unfortunately, he was extremely short-sighted; the Fed is currently the greatest producer of national debt, as it prints money - NOT OUR GOVERNMENT - and then gives out this printed money at interest. That is, the Fed charges our government and banks interest on the paper they hand out. Why do we allow this? Well, the last guy who tried to do something about it was suddenly shot in the face with a sniper rifle. Poor JFK... Also on the matter of banks and the economy, we currently run on no standard for money, or, more appropriately, we run off of fiat money. This means that all the money that we print is worth no more than what was used to make it. Thus, the more money that enters circulation, the less value it holds due to there just being so much being tossed around. Back in ye olden days, you could trade in bank notes for gold coins, which were real assets with real value that you could bring to pretty much any civilized country to exchange and barter with. Without a standard, all our money means pretty much nothing in the long-term anyways; the Euro is the exact same, and it's killing off the European Union's economies as well. So anyhow, all that and nobody needed to take an economics class to figure it out. It's not that hard to understand, in theory; the actual reparation of the economy might take a bit of book smarts to help with, but is otherwise also straightforward as far as the measures that need to be immediately taken in order to start making a dent. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Nov 17 2011, 03:35 AM Post #9 |
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So maybe companies just need to stop outsourcing then. |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Nov 17 2011, 03:37 AM Post #10 |
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So we're just pretty much going back to this topic: http://s14.zetaboards.com/Neo_Babylon/topic/596448/1/ I think part of the issue is that the entire country is dependant on an outdated economy plan and they keep putting the proverbial band-aid on it. I think this video says a lot about the issue: EDIT: The problem isn't really outsourcing, the problem is that the economy depends too much on an export that doesn't really provide for the country as a whole. They need to shift it to a more productive export that actually works in this day and age. |
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| -Phantom Hammertoes- | Nov 17 2011, 05:07 AM Post #11 |
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As if feel stupid. Sure, those are useful terms for the specifically-learned who study and delve into such things but you're not any further behind the people who actually run the world. If this sereiously passes and there isn't fucking instant mass backlash... Well, I'm not sure how much further my disappointment in humanity can plummet at this point, honestly. |
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| -Ekoi- | Nov 17 2011, 11:02 AM Post #12 |
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Moot posted a huge announcement on every one of 4chan's boards. I'm pretty sure there's going to be some notable backlash from a very large mass of Anon at very least. |
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| -Arem- | Nov 17 2011, 12:14 PM Post #13 |
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What terrifies me the most is how many voices that will cry out against the bill from the public will be ignored deliberately due to the large amount of politicians in the pocket of those media giants pushing for SOPA. Essentially, those media giants are Mob bosses, paying them off. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Nov 17 2011, 03:39 PM Post #14 |
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Anon would take care of it |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Nov 17 2011, 04:20 PM Post #15 |
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I still don't get how any sane person would let this fly, money or not. People have to see that, in the long run, this would be bad for a country that is constantly trying to get a leg up on everyone else on the planet. How do you dominate with technology if you don't even have internet, the universal and quintessential way of worldwide communication? This reminds me a lot of the fall of the Ottoman empire, where basically, the entire Middle East and parts of Asia went from being the most developed part of the world to...well, where it is today. |
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