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| Fury of the Republicans; Shit has hit the fan...again | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 24 2011, 06:14 AM (2,395 Views) | |
| Sooku | Mar 29 2011, 09:03 AM Post #61 |
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I find it very strange that somehow, when writing that article, they forgot to mention the guy's name. I mean, that's a pretty big detail to forget. EDIT: Oh, I guess they did halfway through. Fuck, I'm tired. Hey Psycho, why isn't there a delete post button? |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 29 2011, 09:58 AM Post #62 |
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Maybe you should just post the entire article here instead next time, because it doesn't sound like such an "evil" thing, and more of a concern when you actually read why in the article.... though the whole "God" bit is infuriating, and the fact he tried to personally do something about this. It's actually been a common concern for awhile now that this is what's going to happen in America at some point. http://www.ice-news.net/2010/10/25/is-shar...ook-forward-to/ http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinois...s-the-goal.html |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Mar 29 2011, 03:19 PM Post #63 |
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There's no delete post button because members aren't supposed to have access to one. You may edit your post though. I finally have a say in this. First of all, this person's attempts at justifying not allowing any Muslims in his cabinet are so ludicrous and full of BS that I can smell it all the way over here. It doesn't even help that Havoc's links above just do more damage for his statement than make sense of it. Let me make one thing clear here; none of you really understand what Sharia law is. If you think it's how the law works in "Muslim" countries like Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, you're dead wrong. This is not the Sharia, not the true Sharia, but a bastardised version of it. Do you guys really want to know the principles of the Sharia? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sumbul-alika...h_b_701331.html
Gee, I don't see anything in there about allowing husbands to kill their wives or forcing women not to drive. Fact of the matter is, no one has a clue how the Sharia works because there is no currently existing nation that uses it, even if they claim to do so. But how about we put that aside and talk about the bigger issue here. This guy's claim is that he doesn't want America to have Muslims anywhere near office because he believes religion has no place ruling the country. I can understand that because, as we all know, America is very clear about sepparating church from the state and that's a fine and objective way of running the country as a democracy...except people still got mad when Obama supposedly claimed America wasn't a Christian country and that'd be rightly so because neither is Christianity the majority religion, nor is it the way the country is supposed to be run. But then again, I see double standards here. So a Muslim can't be part of the cabinet, but it's okay for Christians and Jews to do so? The United States claims that it is a democracy and that it treats all religions equally. So why are senior US politicians being driven by the church (or synagogue) in spending the country’s tax payer money in the interest of a foreign country, in this case, Israel? How is that in any way constitutional? Israel is by far the largest beneficiary of US aid money in the world, with a $3 billion per year in military aids, not to mention the economic aid provided over many years in the past. As a matter of fact, the US aid to Israel’s next door neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, is merely a continuous political bribe for those two countries to maintain their diplomatic ties with Israel in spite of their own people. Second, isn’t it considered treason for a government worker of one country to have his loyalties to another country, in any democracy? Why is that not so with US Jewish politicians in the US? Why is that an exception? Before anyone here justifies why a Muslim can't be part of the presidential cabinet, or even run for office, you may want to take a look at the inherent bullshit already encompassing the American government. Religion is already a key component in the ruling body and removing access from one religion just merely proves that there's plenty of favouritism towards others. This only means that those ruling the country want to do so based on their own religious tenets. It's not about Sharia being incompatible, or harsh, or whatever, it's about Sharia and Islam being "wrong" and Judaism and Christianity being "right". By the way, thanks for that, I now have a really, REALLY biased view on Republicans, at the very least, the extremists. Or rather, if you think this is okay, then does that make this guy a moderate Republican? Because if that's the case, then there's something significantly wrong with their thought process. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 30 2011, 06:25 AM Post #64 |
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Yeah, I probably should've read further into the links I posted, lol. There's nothing wrong with those basics of the law obviously, I think it's other stuff people hear about it that gets people worried. whether it still happens or not. Besides, America was somewhat founded on those religions. I say somewhat because technically it's not completely true, but we like to think it is apparently. Here are some of the other parts of Sharia law. Of course, these are from wikipedia, so I can only assume it's most likely true, correct it if it's wrong. I'm not trying to demean it, just listing reasons why it wouldn't fly in the USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia - Homosexual "activity" is illegal under Sharia - Polygamy - America isn't wild about it. - Encourages religion with a dress code - Extreme Sexism - Liquor and gambling are expressly prohibited - Apostasy Muslims are always mad about people imposing their laws on them, does it not make a little sense the other way around? We can't even post any pictures of it's prophet without a death threat, but over there they can get away with an anti-American Mickey Mouse without death threats? Difference is that America is actually a little less hesitant to allow it. Both Americans and Muslim relations have been too shaky recently for obvious reasons for this to not be seen as a possible issue with some people out there... I mean if one were elected and tried to implement Sharia law. Nothing wrong with a Muslim in general holding power though, as long as his intentions are good and not influenced by those laws. |
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| -The Raging Zephyr- | Mar 30 2011, 09:23 AM Post #65 |
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Minus polygamy, aren't all of those in Christian law as well, or have I been greatly misinformed? |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 30 2011, 11:17 AM Post #66 |
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No, Christians/Jews/Whatever don't have those. Only that one little Westboro church full of freaks believe fags are the devil, or whatever. There might have been some bit in a newer testament about them, but it conflicts with how to treat each other equally. And in the bible apparently "Jesus" never said anything about homosexuality, it was something those apostles threw in. They don't have Apostasy, you can change to whatever religion you want, without death as punishment for it. They just say you wont go to an imaginary land full of angels that poop rainbows and ice cream. They don't have a dress code, just the people who decide to become nuns... and I'm pretty sure there's no "punishment" if they decide to wear something different. They don't have mainstream sexism as the norm. We had prohibition for a very short period of time a century ago. And yeah, Polygamy. Don't have that... except for those crazy mormons. |
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| -Sandie Sandwicheadman- | Mar 30 2011, 07:15 PM Post #67 |
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There should be no problem letting a muslim in office, besides racisim or bigotry. Of course, they have as much a chance as a gay or athiest nowdays. Also, no politician will ever perpose sharia law, because it muddles church and state, is political suicide, and according to Psy, is all rights we /already have/. |
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| -Kay G. Radley- | Mar 30 2011, 11:02 PM Post #68 |
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Then please to be explaining Leviticus 18:22 |
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| Sooku | Mar 30 2011, 11:52 PM Post #69 |
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I'm going to go ahead and add both 1 Timothy 2:11-14 and Deuteronomy 22:11 into the mix. Also, polygamy is only frowned upon in the New Testament; the Old Testament presents it as normal. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 30 2011, 11:59 PM Post #70 |
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...I think you misquoted the wrong thing keiji. Leviticus 18:22 has to do with homosexuality, not polygamy. That's from the "newer" edited testament that didn't quote anything Jesus actually said, and was written in 1611, no where near the time Jesus existed. The point was that Christians and Jews haven't practiced those few backward ass teachings in like a 1000 years or so. Except for the westboro people and a few extremists who do nothing but bitch about homosexuality. |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Mar 31 2011, 01:22 AM Post #71 |
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Nonononononono, I think you misunderstood my post; there are no other parts of Sharia law, what I gave you is all there is to it. I've said numerous times in the past that our religion is all about interpretation. God gave us a bunch of guidelines, and left it up to us on how to interpret them and act on them. If one person decides that they want to lock themselves in their house to avoid doing anything bad that's as much their interpretation as the guy who thinks they have the right to go and kill anyone that disagrees with their ideas. If someone does something that contradicts either the guidelines given or any texts from the Qur'aan and Sunnah, then they're obviously violating said guidelines. As Sandie said, the tenets of Sharia are all rights you already have in America. It's why that one guy who built the community center a few blocks from ground zero said that Sharia law is very compatible with how America is run, because it's all, for the most part, already there. On the subject of polygamy, keep in mind two things; firstly, just because something seems "wrong" or frowned upon today doesn't mean it was so 1400 years ago. Society changes and so do certain laws and viewpoints, which is pretty much WHY Sharia and Islam in general is left to interpretation. The second thing is, polygamy was generally allowed in Islam for very specific reasons. One of said reasons was the fact that many men obviously died during war and they would most likely leave behind wives and families. Any man who had the capacity and ability to take in a widow to help provide for her and her family would do so. It's not about some fat bastard sitting on some cushions in a castle surrounded by concubines, this is the exact stereotyped image of Muslims and Arabs in general I was getting at in the "Reel Bad Arabs" topic. So in short, those things you mentioned MAY be practiced in certain countries, but they are by no means principles of true Sharia law. Also, Keiji quoted you and bolded the part about homosexuals, so he wasn't misquoting Leviticus 18:22. |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 31 2011, 01:52 AM Post #72 |
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Yeah, I know they don't all follow it. Some take the really bogus laws more seriously, and others don't. In some ways it is like America's main religions, but you got to admit that the extremists of the Sharia law are far more crazy. |
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| -Arem- | Mar 31 2011, 02:21 AM Post #73 |
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I would think any extremist with any religious tag is extremely crazy...and dangerous. There's no rationally arguing with them. |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Mar 31 2011, 03:59 AM Post #74 |
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Pretty much. We just get a bad rap these days because it's the cool thing to do. Maybe in a couple of years Buddhist extremists will start taking all the flak. :P |
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| -Havoc the Tenrec- | Mar 31 2011, 04:10 AM Post #75 |
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Well I was saying more because.. you know... murder and current sexism and what-not. |
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