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Topic Started: Feb 10 2011, 02:20 AM (58,895 Views)
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That's weird, there's nothing wrong with the page. O.o
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Must've been a temporary issue.
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So here's something worth discussing:

http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/04/05/gearbox-writer-responds-to-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

Basically, the lead writer on Aliens: Colonial Marines thinks that people don't have the right to petition the ending to Mass Effect, because art should not be something that is petitioned. There is also a lot of talk on the internet about how gamers believe they are more entitled to something like this, for whatever reason. What do you guys think about this?

Me personally, while I think people are free to petition whatever they want, the legitimacy and seriousness of said petition really depends on the subject matter. Some people would obviously feel offended by a nude painting by an artist from the Italian Renaissance, but is it something you'd really need to petition? Would anyone take you seriously if you did? This is exactly how I feel about Mass Effect 3's ending; while I haven't seen it, it's apparently bad enough for people to raise their pitchforks and torches over it. Should I take something like that seriously? No, because to me, it's about as legitimate as people wanting to petition Sega over modern Sonic's look.

Gamers aren't more entitled to getting what they want because their medium is still in a constant grey area of whether it's an art form or not. You're free to do whatever you want with something you don't like, but you shouldn't expect to get special treatment over something like this.
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See, I was thoroughly disgusted in the community's reactions to the ending. Sure, it was missing some stuff, but it didn't deserve the whining it got. Of course, even with the Extended Cut DLC coming out soon enough, they'll still complain about that. Hell, I was on ME3 multiplayer a week ago, and when someone started complaining about the ending, I said very loudly into the microphone, "I don't want to hear another fucking word about the ending. It's been done to fucking death, and if I hear more I'm just going to yell over you until you shut up about it." Normally, I don't resort to such immature tactics, but I was already fed up as it is.
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Blacklightning
Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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It was a terrible ending but I wouldn't ask them to change it, it's not like I'd forget what it was before
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It's not going to be changed; just extended.

And I was okay with the ending, really. I just wanted a few more cutscenes, s'all.
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Blacklightning
Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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I never said it was going to be changed, I said I wouldn't petition them to change it :U
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Misunderstood. Sorry.
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Blacklightning
Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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http://www.1up.com/features/six-game-design-crimes-on-trial

Good article, really outlines some trends within games that are STILL going on that need to be changed.
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Petty Misdemeanor - Unlockable Difficulty Levels
Oh fuck off. I like Ultraviolence as much as the next guy, but you'd still have to be a complete fucking retard to play a game on the highest difficulty settings on your very first playthrough without even knowing what you're getting into first. As long as there's only one locked difficulty level and you don't have to, oh I dunno, download the actual difficulty level seperate from the retail game (not that I've seen this done yet, but I know a few publishers who'd do it given the chance), I'd say unlockable difficulty is entirely justified.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, didn't fuckin' Sonic 06 have a downloadable Very Hard mode? As on-disc DLC, no less?

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Gross Misdemeanor - Rubber Band AI
What's interesting about this is that Sega Allstars Racing essentially did away with this entirely (with a few small exceptions - namely the allstar moves themselves and the big rocket you can manually detonate anywhere on the track), and from this game alone it becomes pretty obvious why karting games do this - because without it, it causes racers to fight and bicker over the proverbial second place and allowing a very small handful of players (maybe three, on a good day. Usually just one) to maintain a massive lead in excess of 30 seconds with very little resistance. Most of the time you can basically be fucked right from the start through no fault of your own, because there's no incentive given to make any two racers understand the mutual benefit of ruining the guy 10 seconds ahead of both of them rather than throwing boxing gloves at each other and making life in the lead easier. Not that I'm defending rubber banding, I just figured that'd be some good food for thought. We just need to find a fix for the problem that doesn't quite so blatantly punish the lead racer exclusively. The turpulence mechanic in Sonic Riders 1 was a pretty good start.

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Felony - Inappropriate Shoehorning of Genres
In hindsight, I blame SA1 and 2 for setting the standard for this. Sadly, AAA developers listen to money more than criticism, so they'll allow terrible ideas to flourish either way as long as fans pay for their design decisions.
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The turbulence mechanic in Sonic Riders 1 was a pretty good start.
That's proably the best catch up mechanic I've ever seen in a racing game, now that I think about it. That and the limited attacks which tore away at your Air, so you couldn't spam it on everyone. It's just a shame that Sonic Team did away with both, with Zero Gravity both eliminating the Turbulence altogether, while limiting character attacks to the pick ups. In which the chance of getting the attack power up over Rings or anything else was exceptionally slimmer and the attack engaged immediately upon collecting it, which more or less wasted the pick up altogether. Bundle this with certain shortcuts that could only be accessed by ramming the springs while in an attacking pose and Zero Gravity was kind of a step backwards from what the first game managed to accomplish in terms of an even chance for everyone to win.

Excluding, of course, that the AI will beat you by 15+ seconds if you even so much as screw up once on Babylon Garden or an equally as difficult course. More or less.

But to look at what 1up says about the rubberband AI in the Mario Kart games:

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Give your keys away to a designated driver and include the option of an easy mode alongside a normal mode devoid of any rubber-banding nonsense.

50cc. Take it and stop your bitching. It's slow as fuck, but it is also the "easy mode" you clamour for. The rubberbanding becomes more prominent as you move to the higher cc's. It's a terrible example of increase in difficulty, but no one seems to get the AI difficulty right these days.
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Even in easy mode, being constantly bombarded by blue shells since Mario Kart DS had me abandoning the Mario Kart series all together.
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Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM
I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms.

But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit.

game - gun = gay
game + gun = -gay
game + gun + Arem = ???


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Free Radical is dead, and for all the wrong reasons. Notably, Lucasarts.

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The pressure on David Doak was unimaginable. "My role at Free Radical meant that I was simultaneously involved in these unpleasant 'high level' discussions with psychopaths who wanted to destroy us, and then the next day sitting with our dev staff at their desks trying to boost people's morale. Helping them to pass milestones that I knew would subsequently be manipulated to cause them to fail. It was the most depressing and pointless thing that I have ever been involved in. The dream job which I once loved had become a nightmarish torture."
Kinda makes me sad that I've still never had a chance to play a Timesplitters game.
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Didn't Free Radical end up becoming Crytek anyway? Aren't they working on the next Crysis?
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