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Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 02:33 AM Post #406
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Actually, the video is about how the industry keeps selling incomplete versions of games at a certain price, then coming out a few years later, with a complete edition, including all DLC, patches and whathaveyous, yet still charging the same or even a lower price for it. Gamers who buy new, on day one are constantly getting screwed over by tactics like this because publishers think early release of a half assed game will guarantee brand new sales. They're effectively creating a breed of idiot gamers with no sense when it comes to shopping smart. He also talks about how people are too eager to buy games on day one, when just waiting a few weeks will see significant price drops of still, brand new games. He THEN starts discussing stuff like collector's editions and store exclusive DLC, which when coupled with all the above serves to confuse the consumerbase and alienates them from the publishers releasing all this crap. As a result, brand new IPs with no fanbases are starting to sell (expensive) collector's editions just to actually guarantee some hope of sales to survive in a competing market. It's nothing new of course, but it's just gotting really out of hand right now; he talks about how Kingdom of Alimar (however that's spelled), a brand new IP, is coming out with TWO collector's editions, one of which costs $200. What in the name of fuck is this shit?
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-Arem-	Jan 17 2012, 04:58 AM Post #407
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	As far as price drops go, that's no guarantee. I mean, geez, off all companies who love to keep the prices up on new games, it's Nintendo. This is especially true for any game with the Mario and Legend of Zelda name. I still see Mario Kart DS going for 34.99 USD despite Mario Kart 7 being out, and New Super Mario Bros. Wii is 40 USD new where I am. Activision is also pretty bad at that for their Call of Duty games, waiting only until the next one comes out for prices to really fall significantly. Before, you might see 10 dollars off, but that's about it. And I can hardly fault gamers buying games on the release date, especially if they are really excited about the game. I mean, geez, if I know I will like the game when it comes out, I'm willing to pay full price for it. Sure, it MIGHT go down in price in a month or two, but that's no guarantee. If I want to play the game now, I want to play it now, prices be damned. Edited by Arem, Jan 17 2012, 04:59 AM.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 05:27 AM Post #408
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Nintendo's first party games never go down in price until they start releasing best sellers at budget prices. Both Sony and Microsoft also do this in the form of Platinum Hits and Best Sellers, so it does happen if the game warrants it. Otherwise, most other games do tend to have price drops anywhere from a few weeks to a couple of months after release...and this is from my experience, it all really just depends on the seller most of the time. 10 bucks off is still better than nothing, especially if you really believe the game doesn't deserve to be bought at full price. A lot of games today really don't if you ask me, especially considering how half the time you're getting an incomplete product.
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-YCobb-	Jan 17 2012, 05:39 AM Post #409
Master Posts: 365 Group: Elite Member #75 Joined: September 4, 2010	It's worth mentioning, too, that Nintendo doesn't really do DLC. You're paying full price for the full product all the way with them, which is pretty difficult to justify being angry about. Not to mention that Nintendo doesn't really give anyone reason to hate it, so there isn't much reason to boycott buying their games full retail price. Edited by YCobb, Jan 17 2012, 05:40 AM.
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-Arem-	Jan 17 2012, 05:54 AM Post #410
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	Psycho Werekitsune Jan 17 2012, 05:27 AM Nintendo's first party games never go down in price until they start releasing best sellers at budget prices. Both Sony and Microsoft also do this in the form of Platinum Hits and Best Sellers, so it does happen if the game warrants it. Otherwise, most other games do tend to have price drops anywhere from a few weeks to a couple of months after release...and this is from my experience, it all really just depends on the seller most of the time. 10 bucks off is still better than nothing, especially if you really believe the game doesn't deserve to be bought at full price. A lot of games today really don't if you ask me, especially considering how half the time you're getting an incomplete product. Nintendo hardly ever does their "Player's Choice" or "Nintendo Selects" thing anymore, so even if a game is a smash hit, they won't put it in Player's Choice status anymore, so again, very pricey. It's actually one reason why I haven't bought games like the Mario Galaxy games yet, because I really don't want to wait 4 years for a price drop, yet I can't motivate myself to get a game like that because I don't see myself playing it a lot, like I have with games like Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age or other non-Nintendo products, even if those games don't come out "complete." It's also why I'm incredibly thankful for the used-game industry if you will. It makes buying those higher-priced games a little more convenient. And I'm not really boycotting them; it's just that the first-party Nintendo games are rarely on my priority list to get. For instance, this year, I pre-ordered Gears of War 3, Sonic Generations and Batman: Arkham City instead of pre-ordering Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, or Super Mario 3D Land. The reason is the latter set of games didn't really interest me as much as the ones I pre-ordered, and with the money I had over time, Nintendo didn't get to see a dime of it until early December, when I got Super Mario 3D Land. I've been finding myself also having a dying interest in Legend of Zelda. I can't explain it; I just don't want to slug through those games anymore. Thank god for Super Mario 3D Land though; that game is fun beyond all reason. That's how I want Mario games to be, really. So yeah, it's not that I don't like what Nintendo is doing. It's just that when I do get interested in a Nintendo game eventually, it happens at a time when I can't afford it, or a game that grabs my interest takes priority. Even though I am able to get Skyward Sword really soon, I don't really want to get it. That's just how it is.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 06:12 AM Post #411
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Arem Jan 17 2012, 05:54 AM Nintendo hardly ever does their "Player's Choice" or "Nintendo Selects" thing anymore, so even if a game is a smash hit, they won't put it in Player's Choice status anymore, so again, very pricey. It's actually one reason why I haven't bought games like the Mario Galaxy games yet, because I really don't want to wait 4 years for a price drop Orly? Looks like you haven't been to your local videogame store in a while then. :P
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-Arem-	Jan 17 2012, 07:14 AM Post #412
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	That's just it. Those seven all I've ever seen, and I'm pretty damn sure there are a lot more titles that have earned that even more than those did. They didn't even do those until 4 years later. If anything, you've just proved my point. Edited by Arem, Jan 17 2012, 07:14 AM.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 08:05 AM Post #413
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	I don't get how you expect some of the number one selling games on a console to drop in price right after release, the publishers won't be making the same kind of money they do with that mentality. I'm pretty sure Microsoft and Sony don't start dropping first party published titles prices as early as you want either. I said Nintendo won't drop their first party titles' prices until they go red label, which will more likely than not, take a few years. You said they hardly do it "anymore" when this is the first instance they've done it for this generation of consoles and even then, it's only been a few months. If you want more games, you either have to wait until they're added to the line or pay full price for them. You said you haven't gotten Mario Galaxy yet because you can't be bothered waiting 4 years...well you did wait 4 years and the game is on budget price, so I don't know what's stopping you. Failing that, you could've easily payed full price for it, I'm pretty sure it'll last you longer than something like Gears of War. Failing THAT, get it used, no one's holding you back. My point is, I never really got your point to begin with. First you said they never dropped prices, then you said they take too long, then you said you waited four years for a price drop but still can't be bothered getting the games. Then you said you aren't interested at al anymore, then you said you liked Mario Land 3D, which is essentially, Mario Galaxy Lite. I am confuzzled by your writings. @_@
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-Arem-	Jan 17 2012, 08:48 AM Post #414
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	Then allow me to explain. (Gist of everything is in bold.) Here it is in a nutshell. The games are up in price for so long that by the time they do go down, I've lost interest in them. I don't expect them to go down immediately; perhaps anytime between 8-12 months times, but 4 years? That's ridiculous. By the time 4 years has passed, I no longer have interest in the game because I got burnt out by waiting. Think about it; 4 years is more than half a lifespan for a typical console. I almost didn't get a Wii even with the price-drop because I was so tired of waiting that I almost gave up. Even then, I didn't get a Wii at a store; family gave me their's. And to be frank, I had a passing interest in Galaxy, but then it died, as Legend of Zelda is quickly becoming. The reason I wanted to get Super Mario 3D Land so quickly is because it was to me the true 3D Mario title, where it had all the elements of the 2D Mario games but in a 3D perspective--although occasionally it is 2.5D. Super Mario Galaxy's appeal to me was the gravity-based mechanic, and that's basically it. When other games got my attention, Super Mario Galaxy kept getting pushed further and further back until it fell off the back of the shelf. Ergo, it no longer interests me.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


-Luffy Foxtrot-	Jan 17 2012, 02:02 PM Post #415
Raining on your parade with a truckload of awkward awesomeness. Posts: 4,950 Group: Elite Member #70 Joined: November 11, 2009	Psycho Werekitsune Jan 17 2012, 06:12 AM Arem Jan 17 2012, 05:54 AM Nintendo hardly ever does their "Player's Choice" or "Nintendo Selects" thing anymore, so even if a game is a smash hit, they won't put it in Player's Choice status anymore, so again, very pricey. It's actually one reason why I haven't bought games like the Mario Galaxy games yet, because I really don't want to wait 4 years for a price drop Orly? Looks like you haven't been to your local videogame store in a while then. :P You know, I've never seen those here. If it wasn't for the recent Australia-wide adjustment for game titles, Galaxy 1 would still be somewhere close to $100 here ._. That said, as a result of said price adjustment, Galaxy 2 is now a nice $85, which is much better in comparison.



Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 06:47 PM Post #416
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Arem Jan 17 2012, 08:48 AM The games are up in price for so long that by the time they do go down, I've lost interest in them. But that's only because you set this standard for yourself where Wii games don't get as high a priority as your 360 games and aren't worth the full price the same as those. If you want to have a fullfilling experience as a person who owns multiple consoles, then you're going to have to take the plunge and prioritise them relatively equally, IF these games meant something to you in the first place. Favouring your 360 over your Wii just means that you'll end up delegating Wii games to second rate and ultimately forgetting about them, so in the end, there really isn't much point to you having the console if you're not enjoying everything you can get from it exclusively. I'm just saying that having two or three consoles and getting the most out of them means you need to start giving equal attention to all of them and what you're doing is contrary to that. If you can only, say, get 3 games a month, then get one game you really want for each console; you'll be surprised by how much more satisfied you'll be at the end of the day. The rest of those games aren't going anywhere, you can always get them later and shouldn't feel bad about ignoring them because you just got 3 games you really want.
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-Jacquerel-	Jan 17 2012, 07:04 PM Post #417
Master Posts: 1,082 Group: Elite Member #89 Joined: October 2, 2010	I don't understand how someone could lose interest in a game over time, it's not like games are a perishable substance that decreases in quality the longer you leave them, it'll be the same game as if you bought it on launch day :U



Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 17 2012, 07:44 PM Post #418
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	I think I can understand how someone might lose interest because the company that makes those games no longer holds the same standard they originally did to that person, which may or may not be due to being constantly exposed to a very different style of videogame that kind of "desensitises" them. I've seen people who grew up with me as part of "Generation NES", yet haven't looked at a Nintendo console for a good decade. Arem might just be at that point where the games that come out on the 360 seem more appealing and satisfying to him than those that are released on the Wii because he tends to play those more. Then again, he thought Mario 3D Land was fun, so I don't see what's stopping him from getting Galaxy, since it's a much bigger game and would probably keep him preoccuppied a lot more. Of course, this just goes back to what I said before about distributing priority and attention equally to all the consoles he owns so this wouldn't have to be an issue in the first place.
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-Arem-	Jan 18 2012, 06:58 AM Post #419
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	I suppose, but now I'm going to have to work to get that interest back. I was just in GameStop for the umpteenth time today and I saw Galaxy 1 looking at me. I was sitting there thinking about it, wondering if I really wanted it deep down. Experience has always told me if I hesitate in wanting it, I might not enjoy it as well as I hope it would. Only if I'm curious will it build interest, but if I hesitate and wonder if I would enjoy it, chances are I won't, or not as much. It's kind of a mental safeguard that's kept me from buying shitty games, although at times it does backfire.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 18 2012, 07:57 AM Post #420
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Isn't there someone you could borrow it from or maybe rent it or something?
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