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| -Ruris- | Jan 26 2014, 04:07 AM Post #2056 |
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Look no further than Paper Mario Sticker Star for proof of that. You know what made Paper Mario and Thousand-Year Door great? They were RPGs with platformer elements and had witty dialogue, a good story and memorable characters. You know what made Super Paper Mario not as good as the first two? It was a platformer with RPG elements (And that part where you had to hit three blocks a billion times in a certain order. That was bullshit), but still had the witty dialogue, a decent story, and memorable characters. You know what made Paper Mario Sticker Star a pile of shit? It's a platformer with no RPG elements, but an RPG battle system for no reason even though literally all of your attacks come from items and therefore could have easily just been utilized by having them on the bottom screen at all times and brought into the game world (ON THE OVERWORLD SCREEN) by just tapping on it. But no. You can't just STOMP Goombas to damage them, you have to slap a shoe sticker on Mario because he apparently forgot that he can defeat Goombas that way. It also has no story (or rather, its story is literally just "Bowser kidnaps the Princess"). Witty dialogue? Probably not, considering I've heard that Bowser doesn't even fucking talk in this game despite being a fountain of humor in the first three ("Mighty king of guys who talk to posters", anyone?). Memorable characters? ... I don't think there are any characters in Sticker Star. Just the soulless husks of Mario, Peach and Bowser trapped in purgatory, because Miyamoto refuses to give the first two any personality at all, and seems to want to stifle the personality Bowser was given. |
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| Sonia Chaud | Jan 26 2014, 08:06 AM Post #2057 |
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| -Luffy Foxtrot- | Jan 26 2014, 12:11 PM Post #2058 |
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MONSUTAA HANTAA 4G. It's a thing. |
 
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 26 2014, 12:16 PM Post #2059 |
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I don't really think the issue is Miyamoto himself here, it's that Nintendo has become too dependant on Mario and is oversaturating the market with him. I wish they'd just go back to their rule of one mainstream Mario title per console generation, but now, there are so many "main" Mario games (the series proper, the "New" games, the "3D World/Land" games and the RPGs) it's become hectic. Add to that sports spinoffs, kart games and Smash Bros., and there's just an abundance of Mario to go around. The just need to ease back a bit and give new/renewed IPs some room to breathe. Regardless of the above, how is any of this "bad" for Nintendo though? Mario is the main thing that's making the company money, so how is too much Mario/Miyamoto their financial downfall when it's exactly the opposite? EDIT: Godammit Capcom, we didn't even get vanilla 4 yet and you're already coming out with a revamp. |
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| -Blacklightning- | Jan 26 2014, 01:11 PM Post #2060 |
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Oversaturation can kill franchises, and sometimes even entire genres, just as much as undersaturation can. You give someone too much of something, they'll get tired of it - not much more complex than that. If the death of Guitar Hero wasn't enough indication to that effect, you can already see signs of IP fatigue in Mario's case - the notion of "New" in the title has gotten so old that you could practically hear a collective groan over the internet once New Yoshi's Island got announced, and to such an extent that people are starting to complain that even the likes of 3D Land and 3D World are really just more of the same. This is the long term we're talking about here, and long term is something Nintendo really needs to be thinking hard about right now. All the same, I think we can agree to them taking their time if it results in another absolute behemoth like Galaxy was. Well, once they have the hardware adoption rate to push it, anyway. WiiU kinda reeeeeally needs a lot of games right now. Hopefully this means they're getting ready for a fucking international port by now. Could actually explain why they held it off this long, I suppose. WiiU version plox? |
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| -Blacklightning- | Jan 27 2014, 03:56 AM Post #2061 |
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Capcom is already making Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate. The west is getting it... in 2015. Are you fucking shitting me, Capcom? |
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| -Kay G. Radley- | Jan 27 2014, 04:45 AM Post #2062 |
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Who needs MH these days when you have so many alternatives? PSO2, Monolith's X, Freedom Wars, even that little itty-bitty Attack on Titan fangame... |
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| -Aroxys- | Jan 27 2014, 07:21 AM Post #2063 |
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...You know, I had a feeling this would happen. Every single entry in the MH series has undergone some updated re-release, and the moment I saw that MH4 didn't have a G-Rank I knew this was going to happen. |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 27 2014, 08:06 AM Post #2064 |
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I'm pretty sure X isn't going to be an MMO, it's just a sandbox RPG, just like its predecessor. Also, I heard the Attack on Titan fangame got cancelled, but isn't there already an official game out? |
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| -Luffy Foxtrot- | Jan 27 2014, 08:12 AM Post #2065 |
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Besides the release date, I don't see what the big deal is. MH4U is literally just our version of 4G, just like MH3U was our version of 3G. Capcom just revealed it in a way that made it sound like a different game altogether. Because they're dumb as fuck. And I don't think Keiji was referring to X as an MMO, Seecs, even though the trailers we've seen thus far kind of hint at the possibility. Hell, Freedom Wars doesn't look like an MMO. It just has a lot more simultaneous co-op players than the traditional four. Edited by Luffy Foxtrot, Jan 27 2014, 08:18 AM.
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 27 2014, 01:17 PM Post #2066 |
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It would be awesome if X had co-op. |
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| -Kay G. Radley- | Jan 27 2014, 05:32 PM Post #2067 |
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I wasn't talking MMOs, I was talking what I like to call MH-Likes: action-oriented games that feature cooperative fights against large-scale enemies. It just so happens one of the games I listed, PSO2, is a MMORPG MH-Like. Also, the AoT fangame is still hanging about Edited by Kay G. Radley, Jan 27 2014, 05:32 PM.
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| Sonia Chaud | Jan 27 2014, 06:19 PM Post #2068 |
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MS Is at it again... |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Jan 27 2014, 10:45 PM Post #2069 |
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The franchise was starting to suck anyway. Honestly, it isn't going to get much worse. |
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| -Aroxys- | Jan 27 2014, 11:37 PM Post #2070 |
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AND THEN MASTER CHIEF JOINED THE BRAWL |
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