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Sonic the Hedgehog; All things Sonic go here.
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-Arem-	Jan 10 2012, 05:32 AM Post #676
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	Blacklightning Jan 10 2012, 05:01 AM Havoc The Tenrec Jan 10 2012, 04:52 AM It shouldn't seem like they change so quickly after the third game. Nobody complained come SA1/2, I don't see why this should suddenly be an issue now of all times. I'm more bothered by the fact that this is just the Ep1 logo with Tails pasted in, which was itself just a retool of ASR art anyway. It screams of laziness. It's not quite a paste. The lack of creativity is where it's really just the Sonic 2 logo redone with the new models.
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


-Blacklightning-	Jan 10 2012, 09:17 AM Post #677
BL;DR Posts: 3,493 Group: Elite Member #80 Joined: September 7, 2010	Quote: Nobody complained on the SA1 design because it actually looked like a bad-ass start, and it felt like it had been 7 years since a real Sonic game came out... And it'd been 6 years prior to Sonic 4 that the last classic-styled game came out - earlier still if you're not counting the Advance games. What's your point? Spoiler: click to toggle And on a less serious note just for the hell of it... here is SA1 Sonic lookin' like a badass. Quote: It's not suddenly an issue, bringing those new styles to the past just screamed "bad idea" back when Episode 1 came out too. On what basis? The pandering of nostaligafaggots that don't realize this is supposed to be a modernized take on classic Sonic gameplay anyway? One way or another it still absolutely throws people for a loop when you start spontaneously using decade-old designs again right out of the blue even if it's suppsoed to be a homage to that era - even the Generations excuse was extremely sketchy at best, and blatantly canon-breaking at worst. Besides that, only a small part of the audience would even appreciate an arbitary change like that anyway. Most ordinary people never actually realized the design changed at all between the Saturn/Dreamcast eras. I get that this is supposed to be a classic-themed game and all, but for fuck's sake it's not going to matter any if he has a different eye colour. This isn't Megaman 9. Quote: I didn't expect them to change the style for episode 2, that wouldn't make sense at all. But seeing this logo just reminds me of the debates over it and how I agreed with the disappointment in art direction. If there's anything wrong with Sonic 4's art direction, it's more to do with the ingame clashing of styles rather than some amazingly petty green eyes bullshit. Seriously, the character/badnik models are flat-textured cel shading jobs while the background consists almost exclusively of cardboard cutouts. Did they seriously not realize how badly these things contrast against each other? Quote: It's not quite a paste. The lack of creativity is where it's really just the Sonic 2 logo redone with the new models. It's quite blatantly both, if you take the time to compare them side by side. Edited by Blacklightning, Jan 10 2012, 10:57 AM.



-Havoc the Tenrec-	Jan 10 2012, 11:05 AM Post #678
Master Posts: 6,709 Group: Elite Member #83 Joined: September 10, 2010	Quote: And it'd been 6 years prior to Sonic 4 that the last classic-styled game came out - earlier still if you're not counting the Advance games. What's your point? I didn't mean any classic styled Sonic game. I meant anything in the 1-3 story arc. Quote: On what basis? The pandering of nostaligafaggots that don't realize this is supposed to be a modernized take on classic Sonic gameplay anyway? One way or another it still absolutely throws people for a loop when you start spontaneously using decade-old designs again right out of the blue even if it's suppsoed to be a homage to that era - even the Generations excuse was extremely sketchy at best, and blatantly canon-breaking at worst. Besides that, only a small part of the audience would even appreciate an arbitary change like that anyway. Most ordinary people never actually realized the design changed at all between the Saturn/Dreamcast eras. I get that this is supposed to be a classic-themed game and all, but for fuck's sake it's not going to matter any if he has a different eye colour. This isn't Megaman 9. When you make a sequel to a decade old game, generally the best thing to do is downgrade everything current from today, or at least create a median between 3 and whatever the hell apparently comes after that in the series besides the current 4. No, at the very least, you downgrade the character design, that at least makes more sense in continuity. No wait... all the events in Part 4 episode 1 fuck everything over in continuity. I'm not saying it would make or brake a game if they don't follow the most basis guidelines that make the most sense, but it would most definitely help. Edited by Havoc the Tenrec, Jan 10 2012, 11:06 AM.
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-Blacklightning-	Jan 10 2012, 11:32 AM Post #679
BL;DR Posts: 3,493 Group: Elite Member #80 Joined: September 7, 2010	Quote: I didn't mean any classic styled Sonic game. I meant anything in the 1-3 story arc. You've still yet to state what you're trying to prove with this. Quote: When you make a sequel to a decade old game, generally the best thing to do is downgrade everything current from today, or at least create a median between 3 and whatever the hell apparently comes after that in the series besides the current 4. So remind me why we're trying to justify a fucking design change on a continuity basis? Can you even imagine a non-stupid and non-convulted way of doing that? Can you remember the last two times Sega tried an origin story with the franchise? Here's a tip - both of them involved aliens as the main plot twist, and both of them were absolute garbage. Here's what happened - Sonic Team decided Sonic should have eye colours, so they gave him some fucking eye colours. That people even expect a greater explanation than that is fucking baffling, and the fact that this is a sequel to the games that happened before said design change happened doesn't make it any less stupid - if anything, it just makes it even dumber still because it results in trying to justify an eye colour change as an altogether seperate entity, which is literally no better than trying to justify all of Batman's costume changes as seperate characters altogether. Quote: No wait... all the events in Part 4 episode 1 fuck everything over in continuity. What on earth are you even talking about? Ep 1 barely counted as a mere level pack for all the story it contained, and the closest we came to it was Sega stating out-of-game that it was prequel to the rest of the episodes (which could be construed as them trying to justify Ep1 as an abridged playthrough of the previous three games depending on how you interpret it). There are barely any events of significance that happened that even affect the continuity, let alone ruin it. Quote: I'm not saying it would make or brake a game if they don't follow the most basis guidelines that make the most sense, but it would most definitely help. If people are really so goddamned immature that they'll refuse to buy a Sonic game over his eye colours, they need to grow the fuck up. How this can be considered a selling point for anyone, let alone the self-procalimed "OMFG TRU SAWNIK FANS" that are into that kind of shit, I simply don't understand.



-Havoc the Tenrec-	Jan 10 2012, 01:29 PM Post #680
Master Posts: 6,709 Group: Elite Member #83 Joined: September 10, 2010	Man I get headaches seeing all these quotation boxes every time I try making a small point. I'm just going to answer some. Quote: If people are really so goddamned immature that they'll refuse to buy a Sonic game over his eye colours, they need to grow the fuck up. How this can be considered a selling point for anyone, let alone the self-procalimed "OMFG TRU SAWNIK FANS" that are into that kind of shit, I simply don't understand. It's not, it's just a thing people bitch about because it was a weird decision for them to make in the first place, at least just for the 4th game and time period it's supposedly in. Quote: What on earth are you even talking about? Ep 1 barely counted as a mere level pack for all the story it contained, and the closest we came to it was Sega stating out-of-game that it was prequel to the rest of the episodes (which could be construed as them trying to justify Ep1 as an abridged playthrough of the previous three games depending on how you interpret it). There are barely any events of significance that happened that even affect the continuity, let alone ruin it. I honestly wasn't sure how to interpret it when I played it. Quote: So remind me why we're trying to justify a fucking design change on a continuity basis? Can you even imagine a non-stupid and non-convulted way of doing that? Can you remember the last two times Sega tried an origin story with the franchise? Here's a tip - both of them involved aliens as the main plot twist, and both of them were absolute garbage. Here's what happened - Sonic Team decided Sonic should have eye colours, so they gave him some fucking eye colours. That people even expect a greater explanation than that is fucking baffling, and the fact that this is a sequel to the games that happened before said design change happened doesn't make it any less stupid - if anything, it just makes it even dumber still because it results in trying to justify an eye colour change as an altogether seperate entity, which is literally no better than trying to justify all of Batman's costume changes as seperate characters altogether. I stand by continuity being important, almost all the time. Sonic falls into one that I expect to half-ass it these days, after seeing what they created after the third game... while Zelda and Mario games are just like... fuck it. I honestly don't care what his eye colors are or what his body looks like, as long as it fits the time period in his supposed life. Edited by Havoc the Tenrec, Jan 10 2012, 01:33 PM.
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Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 10 2012, 03:06 PM Post #681
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	The inherent problem is that you're treating this as a remake instead of a sequel. Yes, it's a sequel of a game from umpteen years ago, but that shouldn't dictate the choice in aesthetic style since the issue of Sonic growing taller and getting green eyes isn't something canonical. It's a design change, from an out of character perspective, not something that happened to the character within his universe. That's like saying the art style change between Megaman X and Megaman Zero should be considered canonical because Zero 1 comes after Command Mission. It doesn't work that way because creative teams are given differing artistic liberties with their material and if something sells well, then it's more than likely to stick around for future iterations. The only thing that "debunks" this is Classic Sonic's appearance in Generations and, in all honesty, that's only there to appease to an older fanbase that is just so far gone with regards to nostalgiafaggotry that it's necessary to sell the game to them.
	EMBRACE THE NAKED!


-Havoc the Tenrec-	Jan 10 2012, 03:30 PM Post #682
Master Posts: 6,709 Group: Elite Member #83 Joined: September 10, 2010	Actually, I'm just wishing it were treated as a sequel and not a remake, kind of the other way around. I don't know anything about the Megaman Universe, so I don't really get the comparison. Though, I do know that Capcom actually made what would be the right way to make a sequel from a past game. I don't think they made the classic Sonic's eyes in Generations black just for "nostolgiafags", that's just how he was. The way I personally take the story at this point, if the design change in age had to do anything with the story... it would just be a transformation through their aging process or some other bs.
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Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 10 2012, 04:40 PM Post #683
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Zero from the Megaman X games: Zero from the Megaman Zero games: No indication during the Zero series is given that the changes to the character's appearance is anything more than out of character, style change due to differing artists working on the second series of games.
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-Emerald Spirit-	Jan 11 2012, 02:51 AM Post #684
Quartermaster and Field Commander of the Baneblade Chapter Posts: 600 Group: Elite Member #36 Joined: April 26, 2008	Psycho Werekitsune Jan 10 2012, 04:40 PM Zero from the Megaman X games: -broken image- Zero from the Megaman Zero games: -image that works- No indication during the Zero series is given that the changes to the character's appearance is anything more than out of character, style change due to differing artists working on the second series of games. Spoiler: click to toggle Except that the second one isn't Zero's original body. Spoiler: click to toggle Why's everyone so butthurt about this logo again? I honestly see no reason to be. Wait, am I on Sonic Retro on accident? Edited by Emerald Spirit, Jan 11 2012, 02:52 AM.
	A desolate place, without any trace It's only the cold wind I feel It's me that I spite, as I stand up and fight The only thing I know for real There will be bloodshed!


-Havoc the Tenrec-	Jan 11 2012, 02:57 AM Post #685
Master Posts: 6,709 Group: Elite Member #83 Joined: September 10, 2010	I don't know, I think complaining about the logo is probably more ridiculous though.
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Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 11 2012, 03:01 AM Post #686
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	Broken image fixed and even with what you're suggesting, the real deal looks identical save for a darker colour pallet.
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-Emerald Spirit-	Jan 11 2012, 03:05 AM Post #687
Quartermaster and Field Commander of the Baneblade Chapter Posts: 600 Group: Elite Member #36 Joined: April 26, 2008	I think you missed the part where I was using an intentional fallacy to try to get yer goat.
	A desolate place, without any trace It's only the cold wind I feel It's me that I spite, as I stand up and fight The only thing I know for real There will be bloodshed!


Psycho Werekitsune	Jan 11 2012, 03:50 AM Post #688
Part man...part beast...full psycho! Posts: 17,366 Group: All Powerful Deity Member #1 Joined: December 30, 2005	No goat, only camel. shot
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-Arem-	Jan 11 2012, 07:17 AM Post #689
Fabulous Homosexual Posts: 6,262 Group: Elite Member #59 Joined: November 9, 2009	Dromedary or bactrian?
	--- Quote: Blacklightning Nov 14 2011, 02:48 AM I like it when people use the word "gay" in any context other than a homosexual one - it only proves that they have the maturity of a five year old, as if their obsession with shooters didn't already do a good job of pointing that out. It's also pretty amusing that he pointed out Skyrim considering the fact that, y'know, it's set in the bloody medival era and doesn't even have muskets, let alone generic modern firearms. But just for fun, let's play around with his logic a bit. game - gun = gay game + gun = -gay game + gun + Arem = ??? Founder of #TeamArem


DNL	Jan 11 2012, 11:47 PM Post #690
Trainee Posts: 29 Group: Peon Member #73 Joined: September 4, 2010	Emerald Spirit Jan 11 2012, 02:51 AM Why's everyone so butthurt about this logo again? I honestly see no reason to be. My thoughts exactly. I'm surprised a lot of people are whining over a logo out of all things. :/ Emerald Spirit Wait, am I on Sonic Retro on accident? Lol'd Edited by DNL, Jan 11 2012, 11:47 PM.



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