Arem

Apr 8 2014, 10:38 PM

Keiji, you don't have any idea the forces you are tempting.

Shamanic Enzan

Apr 8 2014, 11:43 PM

Arem

Apr 8 2014, 10:38 PM

Keiji, you don't have any idea the forces you are tempting.

I regret nothing.

Chucklefuck

Apr 8 2014, 11:50 PM

Shamanic Enzan

Apr 8 2014, 11:43 PM

Arem

Apr 8 2014, 10:38 PM

Keiji, you don't have any idea the forces you are tempting.

I regret nothing.

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 8 2014, 05:58 PM

Now tell me what consoles Sega Sonic games sell better on, because clearly Sega themselves have stated he does better on Nintendo platforms and that's where the audience is.

Blacklightning

Apr 9 2014, 02:20 AM

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 8 2014, 05:58 PM

Now tell me what consoles Sega Sonic games sell better on, because clearly Sega themselves have stated he does better on Nintendo platforms and that's where the audience is.

Then they're blatantly fucking naieve, because Lost World didn't even ship close to 1 million. And that's just the shipments - that's not even accounting for how many copies they've actually sold. This isn't a rule of thumb or anything, it's just circumstance - on the 'cube they had the fresh hype of partnering with Nintendo for the first time, and on the Wii they had the fortune of the hardware being widely adopted and breaking historical numbers. Right now, as far as Nintendo is concerned, they have nothing.

Just for comparison, even Sonic '06 broke 1 mil.

Shamanic Enzan

Apr 9 2014, 10:38 PM

SEGA is dying anyways

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 9 2014, 10:53 PM

This doesn't account for digital sales though.

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On that note, Sonic '06 sold because Sonic was still in high demand and at a relatively high point in popularity. The game was hyped up to be the next Sonic Adventure, while Lost World was almost immediately hated before it even left the door.

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 8 2014, 07:03 PM

This is where you should go back to your inner 90's Sega fan and ask him what he found appealing about Sonic. He won't tell you that it was mature and needs to become something else, but rather, that it was an enjoyable experience and he wouldn't mind seeing more of the same. There is no need to reinvent Sonic, past attempts should show you how successful that's been. Sonic's appeal has been with the way he is as a property and what can be done with it. The experience can still remain fresh and innventive while maintaining what it's always been at its core. That being said, Sonic Boom seems like a decent subfranchise and, honestly, I think it's a great way to introduce the franchise to a new generation. It's about as "mature" and developed as you can possibly get from Sonic, so you should probably be the one person who'd be the most interested in it.

Blacklightning

Apr 10 2014, 03:42 AM

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 9 2014, 10:53 PM

This doesn't account for digital sales though.

You're only kidding yourself if you think digital sales did that much better. But even if you weren't, a game on every platform still makes more money than a game on one of them even if it's better than the sum of them, so frankly this is a stupid fucking argument to start with.

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On that note, Sonic '06 sold because Sonic was still in high demand and at a relatively high point in popularity. The game was hyped up to be the next Sonic Adventure, while Lost World was almost immediately hated before it even left the door.

Yes exactly, this has literally nothing to do with Nintendo. Thank you for making my argument for me.

Psycho Werekitsune

Apr 10 2014, 03:19 PM

I'm not quite sure I follow either of those statements. Are you saying that '06 doing well on two platforms is more relevant than Lost World doing well on just the Wii U?

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And for the other, I never said it had anything to do with Nintendo directly, I'm saying that a majority of Sonic's audience has moved on and, since the Wii U tends to attract a younger demographic, plus adding to the fact that its older gamers tend to die hard, it'd make more sense for Sonic games to sell more on Nintendo consoles, regardless of the franchise's popularity.

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I'm saying that a release on multiple consoles will outsell a single release on the highest selling one, especially if it includes the highest selling one. What reason at all is there to dispute this beyond mindless fanboyistic bullshit?

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What you're essentially telling me here is that Sega, whether through collaboration or outright acquisition by Nintendo, should make games exclusively for the system nobody's buying, for the audience that has largely abandonded them, whilst simultaneously trying to attract the attention of younger players who, let's face it, are probably still playing Wiis right now because it's a great deal cheaper and less confusing for their parents and the kids can't really tell the difference... and this is supposed to make sense? On what fucking planet? What is the actual rationale here?

Hell, even speaking from the perspective of consumers, what makes you think Ninty wouldn't just squat on the IP given the chance? It's not like they haven't done it before - Mother is more or less dead and buried, F-Zero hasn't been heard from since the GBA games and all we've heard of Starfox since the DS is a Lylat Wars port. In fact I'm convinced they'd have forgotten about them entirely if it weren't for a certain HAL game. They'd just leave the franchise to rot as soon as it stops making them money, mark my words.