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| The Evangelion Thread; Confusing, Awesome, and, Giant robots... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 5 2007, 07:20 AM (848 Views) | |
| Pax | Apr 5 2007, 07:20 AM Post #1 |
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This is probably the second best Robot anime I've ever seen. The pot though....eh could be made a little more easy to comprehend. The series ends with everyone being questioned, and, kinda going insane. I wish to know your comments, and, if at all possible, a walkthrough of the ending episode. It gives me a migrane just thinking about it. ( woa, big poast by me!) |
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| -Akumaryu- | Apr 5 2007, 11:52 PM Post #2 |
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Well, first things first. You're not meant to fully understand the last episode. If you did, you'd be as crazy as Shinji. Better would be to watch the movies The End of Eva and Death/Rebirth. They give basically alternate endings that'll really only confuse you more, but at least provide some closure. The last episode is really about Shinji finally losing his sanity. If you pay attention through the series, he becomes increasingly introverted and spends a lot of time thinking to himself. He starts hallucinating and other various drug-trip-like sequences let us know that his grip on reality is slowly fading. By the last episode, he's just completely gone. It's really symbolic of what happens to those people that aren't fit for war and end up fighting in one. Hope that helps. At least a little. ^_^ |
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| Pax | Apr 6 2007, 12:59 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks, that really does help. ( I really needed some kind of explanation.) |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Apr 16 2007, 02:27 AM Post #4 |
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Just edited the title for you Pax. Anyways, I keep meaning to reply to this topic, but always forget. Evangelion's one of the best damned animes out there, for sheer originality, and how they use religious symbolism to tell out their story. The ending's all on how a person interprets it really, and from the general consensus, it goes something like this. Shinji basically became "God", but he made the wrong choice. Instead of saving humanity and the ones he loved, he became selfish and pathetically weak minded, leading for him and Asuka to be the only survivors. His lust for her took over his concious. Some say that Misato's soul inhabited Asuka's body near the end, due to a change in her eye colour or something, but I really need to go back and watch the show all over again to confirm that. In any case, an interesting FYI I got here if you haven't already heard. There's going to be a remake of the show, with a much clearer ending. One would think that after getting so many death threats (no joke), Gainaix would finally do something about it. XD |
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| Pax | Apr 16 2007, 07:43 AM Post #5 |
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He became god? i don't exactly understand. Also, what episode # is it when the EVA breaks free from it's armor and comes to self-awareness? I can't find that episode anywhere. |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Apr 16 2007, 04:46 PM Post #6 |
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It does that a few times, hell even in the first episode. Can't remember when it actually became self aware though. And yes, he becomes God. I told you, it's all religious symbolism, that's what Evangelion is about (it's kinda pointing it out through the title XD). |
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| -Akumaryu- | Apr 16 2007, 11:13 PM Post #7 |
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To be honest, I've never noticed the religious symbolism. I know that in Rahxephon ((Practically a clone, but still good)) the main character obviously became God. It was stated clearly. But this is the first time that I've heard of any such claim for Eva. I guess things like this just go right over my head. XD |
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| Pax | Apr 19 2007, 07:00 AM Post #8 |
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I did not notice anything AT ALL that was religious. It ( like Aku) just slipped by me. The ending still bugs me though. What dos Evangelion mean anyway? |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Apr 19 2007, 11:32 AM Post #9 |
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Evangelism is one of the sects of Christianity, and Neon Genesis alludes to the book of Genesis in The Bible. It's all there if you really focus and concentrate on the little things. Practically everything in the anime is some kind of representation of religious symbolism. |
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| Pax | Apr 20 2007, 06:26 AM Post #10 |
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Now that I watch some of the series again, I do notice some of those kinds of things. Not very much though. I also saw that show Ranma 1/2, it's weird.  Also, in Eva., is the religious stuff brought up a lot, or just a little? Because I think I'm still missing most of it.
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Apr 20 2007, 06:22 PM Post #11 |
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It's not supposed to be blatantly obvious unless you're looking out for them, the meaning's either hidden or shown in the form of metaphors I guess. |
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| Pax | Apr 30 2007, 09:07 AM Post #12 |
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TA DA!!! Also, I'm asking about the Time the EVA broke from it's armour and ate that mummy-like Angel ( you know the one that had those stretchy-bandage things) And then liked ripped that things arm off and used it as it's own? I've only seen clips of that episode. T_T |
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Aug 24 2007, 08:48 PM Post #13 |
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Alright, this topic may be old, but it's far from dead. I recently aquired the box set of the entire series, so I can finally answer some of the questions previously asked. Firstly, the episode Eva 01 becomes "self aware" would be the 19th episode. Also, the ending I previously mentioned refers to The End of Evangelion, NOT the series' ending. The series ends in a completely opposite manner, in which Shinji actually starts believing in his own self worth, and rebuilds reality in accordance to how it originally was. Now, as for religious symbolism, I've managed to pick up a lot after watching all 26 episodes in a row. I can't believe you guys actually missed any of this stuff, but here goes: Neon Genesis: New creation, alludes to the book of Genesis in the Bible. Evangelion: Probably refers to Evangelism, a sect of Christianity. Angels: Messengers of God. Adam: The first Angel is a reference to the first human being. Lilith: The second angel is a reference to the first female God in Jewish mythology, who left the Garden of Eden after she refused to be a subservient of Adam. Angels Names: All the Angels are named after angels from the three monotheistic religions. Most come from Judaism though. Eva: A being created out of Adam, which is an obvious reference to Eve. NERV's slogan: "God's in his heaven, all's well with the world." The Dead Sea Scrolls: Religious texts that are possibly the only known surviving biblical documentation since before 100 AD. The Spear of Longinus: Named after the famous "Spear of Destiny", the spear that pierced Christ while he was on the cross. The Magi: Reference to the three Biblical Magi, the wisemen from the East; Melchior, Balthasaar and Casper. SEELE: Probably a reference to The Free Masons, a.k.a. The Illuminati; a super secret society that is responsible for running most government bodies and such behind the scenes. You may have seen references to them in the first Tomb Raider movie, or the game Deus Ex. In short, these are few examples of some of the symbolism within the series. Of course, the ending itself, representing human instrumentality is meant to be the 18th Angel, but we've already covered that while discussing the merging of humanity into one being, i.e. Shinji. |
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| -Akumaryu- | Aug 25 2007, 09:36 PM Post #14 |
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Okay, I noticed all of those. But see, those are Religious REFERENCES! Not symbolism! That's where you had me confused. 
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| Psycho Werekitsune | Aug 25 2007, 11:01 PM Post #15 |
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No, a reference is when something's directly indicated at and pointed out. Over here, they're labeling things in accordance to the bearing they have on them through religious context. I get that some of those things are references, but a the entire show is some form of symbolism. An example would be The Spear of Longinus, in that it isn't just a really cool spear, it's the only weapon that can defeat "god", in this case Adam, as well as the Angels. Straight off of Wiki: Religious symbolism is the use of symbols, including archetypes, acts, artwork, events, or natural phenomena, by a religion. Religions view religious texts, rituals, and works of art as symbols of compelling ideas or ideals. The symbols helps create a resonant mythos that expresses the moral values of the society, the teachings of the religion, creates a sense of solidarity between religious adherents, or functions as a way to bring an adherent closer to their god or gods. The study of religious symbols is either universalist, as a component of comparative religion and mythology, or in localized scope, within the confines of a religion's limits and boundaries. So merely the pressence of a cross in the series (which is practically all the time, especially during any Angel's attack) is a form of symbolism. |
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