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Topic Started: Mar 8 2008, 05:18:14 AM (547 Views)
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What's your opinion on groups like Chinese churches, Asian or black student organizations, etc. etc.?

Basically, public groups that cater specifically to colored people.
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I see no problem with it, as long as they aren't being discriminated because of it. As well, I would except the same thing be extended to white people as well, with out people shouting "NAZI!!!!!111shift+one".
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Why extend it to white people?
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I choose to bring gender into this debate.


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Little brown girls are the best.
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Why not? Are we not a race as well? Why should whites be treated different?
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Because you aren't.

Obviously, this is in the context of America.

White culture, white grouping, white dominance, is the default. Just whites are considered the default 'us' and minorities the default 'them,' most of society is already essentially a 'white-exclusive group.'

White people don't need a white people group to help identify with their race. >__>

That's changing a bit as the population shifts towards colored people, but you see what I'm saying?
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*isn't white*

I can see your point, but why shouldn't whites get their own little church? Not like it would make Nazis. I mean, they could feel left out.
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Because every church not black or Asian or Mexican is already white. >__>

well, we can let them have one, but only really pale people can get in.
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Just out of curiosity, Luk, where do you live? Not that I expect a straight answer, but I might as well ask anyway.
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Somewhere not the West Coast/New York/Chicago.

Get the picture?
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Now, I don't mind racially based groups, that's fine or whatever.

What really pisses me off is the fact that, especially in schooling, although this happens to a certain extent in the workplace too, African-American, Chinese people, even women get more opportunities than white males. Seriously. While I was signing up for scholarships that my high school offered through their webpage, I could only fill out three or four, and that's because I had a decent GPA coming out of high school.

All the other scholarships were like "IF YOU'RE A GIRL, SIGN UP FOR THIS SCHOLARSHIP. YOU WERE BORN WITH TWO X CHROMOSOMES SO ENJOY YOUR MONEY." or "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU WERE BORN DARK, HAVE 500 DOLLARS"

And it wasn't just these scholarships. There were plenty of scholarships I couldn't get easy money off of because: I wasn't not white, I wasn't a girl, neither of my parents were in the military (although I guess I can understand this one to an extent), or I wasn't a boy genius at the age of 14 who graduated high school when you should be a freshman so the school wouldn't give me a free ride. That said, there are some easy scholarships that white males can fill out, but since there's no white male specific scholarships (at least none that I've seen), these can go to different races anyways.

Here's another thing, getting waaaaaaaaaay off topic. The middle class (such as it is these days) has the worst time paying for college. Now, I've been saving up my whole life, and I could pay for maybe a year of college with that money. Seriously, it's bullshit. Poor kids attending college get TONS of help from the state, while rich folk don't really have to worry about the monetary issues, they're rich. We middle classers have to pay out of our asses.

tl;dr? Paying for college sucks for middle class white males.
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There's a college here in Oklahoma that offers a scholarship for being white >_> 'cause it's primary a black college.
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Heck, no.
Chinese people get screwed even worse than white people do for colleges. There was a US News and World Reports study done on it.
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Don't you mean screwed even more IN college?
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They're fine, cool, no problem. A white organization would be fine, too, though I can't see it being taken as seriously unless it was an anti-minority group, which would be bad.
If it's a private organization, they can base it on whatever they like. Now, if it was government-sponsored, then I might have a problem with it.
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Well, let's put it another way.

Do y'all think it promotes inequality of races?
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Mar 9 2008, 03:42:21 AM
Well, let's put it another way.

Do y'all think it promotes inequality of races?

Si senor

But not on purpose. Anything done with any indication of race at all is going to have tons of people making mountains out of molehills
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Groups based on race sound incredibly stupid to me. Glad there aren't any of those around here (unless you count schools that are exclusive for girls/guys)
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Mar 8 2008, 09:42:21 PM
Well, let's put it another way.

Do y'all think it promotes inequality of races?

Yes, and I don't particularly like them.
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Elaborate.

That's obviously what this topic is about.
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Now, I don't mind racially based groups, that's fine or whatever.

What really pisses me off is the fact that, especially in schooling, although this happens to a certain extent in the workplace too, African-American, Chinese people, even women get more opportunities than white males. Seriously. While I was signing up for scholarships that my high school offered through their webpage, I could only fill out three or four, and that's because I had a decent GPA coming out of high school.

All the other scholarships were like "IF YOU'RE A GIRL, SIGN UP FOR THIS SCHOLARSHIP. YOU WERE BORN WITH TWO X CHROMOSOMES SO ENJOY YOUR MONEY." or "CONGRATULATIONS, YOU WERE BORN DARK, HAVE 500 DOLLARS"

And it wasn't just these scholarships. There were plenty of scholarships I couldn't get easy money off of because: I wasn't not white, I wasn't a girl, neither of my parents were in the military (although I guess I can understand this one to an extent), or I wasn't a boy genius at the age of 14 who graduated high school when you should be a freshman so the school wouldn't give me a free ride. That said, there are some easy scholarships that white males can fill out, but since there's no white male specific scholarships (at least none that I've seen), these can go to different races anyways.

Here's another thing, getting waaaaaaaaaay off topic. The middle class (such as it is these days) has the worst time paying for college. Now, I've been saving up my whole life, and I could pay for maybe a year of college with that money. Seriously, it's bullshit. Poor kids attending college get TONS of help from the state, while rich folk don't really have to worry about the monetary issues, they're rich. We middle classers have to pay out of our asses.

tl;dr? Paying for college sucks for middle class white males.

Although this system rather benefits me for the most part (being asian and female, NOT TO MENTION A GENIUS WHO IS GOING TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL A YEAR FROM NOW), it does rather annoy me. I see the reason for it, but still, it seems unfair that I should get a scholarship because I happen to be female, or asian, or whatever.

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You're a female Asian?

Suddenly, I like you a lot moar.
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NOT TO MENTION A GENIUS WHO IS GOING TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL A YEAR FROM NOW


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They can have their groups and whatever and it does promote inequality of races cuz they have to make these groups.

What I've noticed is that in my previous school, all of the staff were white (Teachers, Groundsmen, kitchen staff and all) except for one. After two years in this school I've noticed some things. All the teaching staff are white except one guy. At the beginning of the year all the new teachers were introduced. He wasn't. Dunno why :huh: . All the cleaning staff are black (except maybye one or two Asians-dunno they don't turn up till a while after school.) The kitchen staff are all white. So are the groundsmen (except one of them has a black and white dog). (no one is Chinese/Thai/Mongolian/etc.)

Also, generally speaking, white people in my year tend to hang out with white people and asians with asians. (Only one black guy in my year.)

I don't get racial inequality. I am asian and proud of my 'heritage'. Nationality does not affect me for several good reasons.

No comment on college thingy...
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I don't really care about racially-based groups if they don't take it to a racist level.

As for boy-girls only... at least in schools, I think a mixed school is WAY better. I'm in a boys only school and I can say that me, most of my teachers, and most of my classmates think the school will be better off being mixed. One-sex school helps you deal with people of the same sex, especially if you are homophobic. But the school will be better in other aspects if it was mixed. For starter, in my school most of the student don't care about their image because they don't have to show off to anybody. Also, and this is for both sex, the theme of sexuality is touched... a lot, many times in an unhealthy way. And who is to forget the theme of homosexuality, which go grabbed in hands with the "image doesn't matter". I still have to see a Pep Rally where our students are not dressed like as if they were gay, and the only two Pep rally for me to see are going to be made by my class >_>

Anyways, that's basically my overview of why I dislike one-sex only school. As for anything else, as long as they don't take affect every act of the other group and qualify most of them as a personal offense, I couldn't care less.
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I agree with the above. Mostly. I'm in a one-sex (boy's) school and I agree. Mostly.
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Personally I'd hate it if I were in a girls-only school, they'd probably be bitchy and I like hanging out with guys.

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I don't really care myself, I mean do what you want.

My problem is when racism is turned into a one way thing. Just as an example, say there's a black only group and a white only group. Say a white person wants to go in the black group, but they're not because of a whole heritage sort of thing where the black people want to bond. Great. But then, I hate it when a black person tries to go into the white group, isn't allowed, and complains about it being racism.

But yeah, I'm not against these groups, but seriosuly, mixed groups are better. Making these sorts of groups will strengthen the group's community, but why not go for the larger picture and larger community?
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lol. I live in such a white community. Like one or two black kids in my whole school. The only asians are exchange students (maybe 4). And I was friends with one middle eastern kid till he moved out west. Oh, and a few mexicans maybe like 2? Oh, and about 900 white kids.
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I used to live in a place like that. D:

There were only two Asians in my year until the fifth grade, when the other one transferred and I was the only one. D: Then another one transferred in the last year I was there.

So, yeah.

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My problem is when racism is turned into a one way thing. Just as an example, say there's a black only group and a white only group. Say a white person wants to go in the black group, but they're not because of a whole heritage sort of thing where the black people want to bond. Great. But then, I hate it when a black person tries to go into the white group, isn't allowed, and complains about it being racism.


You're rather oversimplifying your comparison.

Black to white: Hey, look, we're engaging in conversations about our roots. Since you really wouldn't understand, please don't come in.

Okay, fine.

White to black: Hey, look, we're...what, exactly?

Whites don't really have a cultural heritage type of excuse until you break things down into French vs German vs etc. etc.

Otherwise, you are just white with a cultural heritage of about fifty years, and it's not really white cultural heritage, it's the cultural heritage of America/whatever other country and still perfectly open to people of other racial groups.

Sorry, but whites don't get to bond over stories passed down by their grandparents about slavery and spirituals.

I dunno about Asians though, people like to just lump Asians together and I've yet to see an Asian group meet specifically to discuss Asian cultural heritage and exclude anybody of any race.

EDIT: I realized that the above sounds really pretentious and is a bit flawed, but I'm lazy, so I'll just address those issues later after you reply. >__>

Just remember that I'm not unaware before you jump on my back (.__. )
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We're discussing our roots, please don't come in

Well what if we'd like to learn about your culture?
Maybe it's not our place. Your points all seem to make sense to me.

Oh, and would you be OK with white groups broken down to things like Scots [we have lots of heritage]?
just saying.
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Learning about culture is different from entering a discussion about roots. Discussing roots =/= discussing culture, nobody wants to have to babysit a white guy.

I'd be fine with whites being broken down according to heritage under those groups. 'Whites' do not have a culture that is specific to them. 'Various different kinds of whites' have had pretty cool cultures.
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