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Humanity sucks.
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In which we discuss why or why not humanity sucks.

What separates humans from animals isn't emotions, or higher thinking, or relative lack of self-interest. It's our unparalleled capacity for cruelty.
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I know.
In this world . . . There are lots of sad moments. Feelings that don't reach. Thoughts that aren't communicated. Promises are broken.

But, even then, I love this world. That's why I want to protect it. This sky . . . this wind . . . the land . . . And --
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What sets humans apart from animals is that we raise livestock. The human race took a big leap foward when we started this. The only other animal that does this are this one species of ant that keep afids*sp*. But other then this, we're animals. Animals in baseball caps with access to semi-automatic weapons.
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I know.
In this world . . . There are lots of sad moments. Feelings that don't reach. Thoughts that aren't communicated. Promises are broken.

But, even then, I love this world. That's why I want to protect it. This sky . . . this wind . . . the land . . . And --

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Humanity sucks.

Well, it's better than being an animal, or a vegtable.
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Animals are somewhat more civilized. Ever hear about them torturing other animals for fun? Nope. Ever hear about a lion fucking the corpse of a dead lion? Nope.
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Animals are somewhat more civilized. Ever hear about them torturing other animals for fun? Nope. Ever hear about a lion fucking the corpse of a dead lion? Nope.

Point made. But it's still better than being a vegtable.
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On that I cannot argue. Being human is much better then being a veggie.
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Ever hear about them torturing other animals for fun?

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At least they end up eating it.
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Nah...It only makes it more theatrical. Great stuff for movies, but not very much so in real life.
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Oddly enough, I feel like defening humanity today...

Despite all it's flaws, the human race is quite amazing. Which other race of animals has the power to protect all the other species on this planet? Or one that can communicate with each other so easily? I haven't heard of anything but a human climb Everest. Or gain the ability to defy gravity. Or reach out and touch the moon. Of course none of these really matter, because these are the extremes. And the same can be said about the the supposed "bad things" with humanity. A mere fraction of humanity would think of tortuing animals, and an even larger faction seeks to protect them. But look at humanity as a whole. No other animal communicates like us. We have so many ways to say things it's not even funny. We are the only race that shows creativity. When was the last time you've seen a monkey write a play? Or a dog paint a masterpiece?
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That, and some animals are not aware of emotion, but carry simply the urge to mate die, and maintain the food chain. Humans, and some animals can have emotion, but humans can express it more. Not that I am saying that animals are not sad or in pain when hurt.
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Or gain the ability to defy gravity.


Okay, seriously, wtf. When have we learned to DEFY GRAVITY?!

I think he means airplanes/space flight. Or hallucinogenic drugs.
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Also we have the ability to learn from our mistakes....but we ignore the learning part and go straight to the first guy that declares he has a gun, and a van for nine. Don't ask just know I don't like certain parts of S. America.
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Oddly enough, I feel like defening humanity today...


I really hope that's 'defending,' because the alternative is quite...distasteful. :\

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Despite all it's flaws, the human race is quite amazing. Which other race of animals has the power to protect all the other species on this planet?


None. Including humans. Where the hell did you get the idea that we're able to protect every species on this planet when we hastened the loss of ecological variation by a couple hundred milleniums?

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Or one that can communicate with each other so easily?


Cicadas can communicate over several miles. And they didn't have to wait for an old guy to discover how to do so either.

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I haven't heard of anything but a human climb Everest.


Spiders have been found living on the top of Everest.

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Or gain the ability to defy gravity.


If you're referring to actually reversing gravity, then duh. Humans included. If you refer to flight...

Well. Look at 99.8% of all birds, and 50% or so of all insects. Probably more, there's not a whole lot that can't fly. And again. They didn't need to wait for someone to figure out how to do it with lots of metal. :\

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Or reach out and touch the moon.


Why does that even matter? Why is touching the moon important, aside from showing that we can do it? Humans can't dislocate their jaw to swallow animals several times larger than their head, they can't breathe underwater, and they can't fly under their own power.

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Of course none of these really matter, because these are the extremes.


Wrong. That's not why they don't matter.

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And the same can be said about the the supposed "bad things" with humanity. A mere fraction of humanity would think of tortuing animals,


Carnivores. Of course, this isn't torturing animals, but no animal has ever attempted to cripple a species so they exist for the sole purpose of being eaten.

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and an even larger faction seeks to protect them.


And fails. Dammit, PETA, try to stop the cutting down of the rainforest instead of boycotting meat from a species of animal that already can do nothing but graze and be slaughtered.

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But look at humanity as a whole.


Okay.

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No other animal communicates like us. We have so many ways to say things it's not even funny.


Actually, it's been proven that monkeys of the same species speak in 'dialects' when in isolated populations. Additionally, you're in no position to judge. When was the last time you had a monkey to animal dictionary? Without actually knowing just how animals communicate, you can't presume such things.

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We are the only race that shows creativity. When was the last time you've seen a monkey write a play? Or a dog paint a masterpiece?


Creativity is not just in the arts. It's in breaking outside predefined barriers, in figuring out something that hasn't been figured out before, in creating, not replicating. Monkeys have, separately and without guidance, figured out how to use tools. Seeing as we're supposed to be several times smarter, I find that far more impressive than us learning how to string together certain words and colors.
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Stanford Prison Experiment makes that meaningless. Not every 'common' human is put into the circumstances that would lead them into doing something, due to cultural pressure. The people who torture and murder and oppress despite that are...well, I hesitate to call them true freaks, because they're still human, but certainly, they're well beyond the spectrum of 'best and worst.'

Understand that I understand that normal people aren't especially cruel in normal circumstances. But very few of us are in a situation where it's kill or be killed, the law of the fittest, and every single animal in the world operates under that law(unless they're in a zoo or something). The fact that they, in such circumstances, can still be compared to us, in our posh, comfortable lives, should say something.

And we don't even have to be put in such a situation to become twisted. Again, Stanford Prison Experiment.
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To quote one of my favorite sources (I forgot his name. >_>), "We are beautiful. Humans are beautiful creatures. It's the world that's ugly."

I really believe that's true. However, I'm not in the mood for any extensive arguments about morality. As for the Stanford prison experiment, I just wiki'd it and that's absolutely sick. Worse than that. The fact that people were willing to let this continue is more evidence to me of the depravity of humankind than any actual results themselves.
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Really? I thought it was rather enlightening. Of course, it's a problem if the people on the receiving end of the proverbial stick up the butt wanted out, but if they agree to keep going, where's the harm?

Of course, then there's the psychological damage to all involved parties, but whatever.
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Because if that hadn't been an experiment, the things done to the 'prisoners' would have been levied against the 'guards' as violations of abuse laws, at the very least.
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I just went on Wiki. That experiment is aweful, but eye opening, and I enjoyed reading it all. Humans can get power hungry it has been proven thoughout history. People fall into line and give up when their spirit is demoralized. That is how tyranny works IMO. I have seen animals kill their own, and fight to gain leadership of their pack. But have you ever seen an animal take control, and start carrying out murders on other animals. I know humans do it just look at Hitler or Stalin the secret police "removed threats to the nation".
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The guy who came up with it is awesome.

Also, @Wight, my hero,: That was the point of the experiment.
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Humans do things that are great, and they do things that are terrible. They fix problems that they create, and leave others unfixed. Once you start thinking about that, though, you end up asking yourself what is really "right". Then you get into religion, and...

My opinion is that people are good at some times and bad at others. Of course, it varies from person to person, making it difficult or impossible to judge humanity as a whole.
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Also, humans have an unparalleled capacity for kindness, which is the opposite of the spectrum from what you're saying. You show me an animal that donates organs to save lives, or gives up things for others.


You show me an animal that's in possession of the medical procedures needed to donate organs.

Hell, you show me an animal that understands the concept of 'disease' and 'organ replacement.'

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Sure, you could argue that this comes from self interest, but not all of it does. There are people out there who can give without ever receiving, showing near unreasonable kindness,


Actually(and while I certainly do applaud people who do so), it still stems from self-interest.

Nobody gives without being willing to give. Why are people willing to give? Because giving gives them a sense of self-satisfaction. Without that, nobody would ever give.

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just as there are people out there who can show unreasonable cruelty.


I'm glad you agree.

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However, these groups of people are the very extremes of human nature. There is no point in judging all of humanity by the groups of people who are cruel to an unbearable extent.

Sure, there are the people out there who are a little cruel, and all the people in between that, and the extreme. The same can be said for kindness. It's like trying to judge everyone by how high they can jump. The average person jumps about two feet up, and it's like saying "WELL, WHY CAN'T YOU JUMP 5 FEET, LIKE THAT ONE GUY?"


Which is why I mentioned the Stanford Prison Experiment.
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No, the point was to simulate a prison environment.
Modern prisons do not require men to dress up in women's underwear as humiliation, as far as I can tell. Nor do they address prisoners entirely by their number. Nor a whole slew of other things.
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No, the point was to simulate a prison environment.
Modern prisons do not require men to dress up in women's underwear as humiliation, as far as I can tell.  Nor do they address prisoners entirely by their number.  Nor a whole slew of other things.

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The Stanford prison experiment was a psychological study of the human response to captivity, in particular to the real world circumstances of prison life and the effects of imposed social roles on behavior.


Okay, so it's taken word for word from Wikipedia, which isn't the most reliable of sources, but whatever.

Just to simulate a prison would not have been an experiment at all. One of the points was to see what effects the roles given to the students(as in, prisoner and guard, captive and captor, inferior and superior) would have. I'd say it succeeded magnificently.

Imo, the thing it explored most strongly was how making the relationship impersonal affected how the two groups behaved.
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Sure, the effects of the roles, ie. simulation of a prison environment. I fail to see where it says that psychological and physical abuse is part of the role of being a prisoner.
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I fail to see where it safe-guarded against psychological and physical abuse. Or do you think such things don't go on in prisons? Do you think people get sent to prison so they're psychologically and physically abused?

Your argument hinges around one thing: That abuse is not a part of a normal prison environment. It is. Is it a part of an ideal or 'standard' prison environment? Of course not, but it wasn't meant to simulate an ideal prison.
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Of course they go on in prisons. Illegally, mostly in high-level security prisons or those of countries less developed.
As this was an American experiment simulating a standard American prison, there should have been no such abuse. Unless you believe that a standard prison involves such depraved actions, then your argument is the one that is flawed.
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What was the simulation? To tell people what to do? If you simulate the environment of a prison, are you to tell the participants exactly what to do?

The actions that went on in the Stanford Prison Experiment were performed by knowing participants without outside 'nudging.' Perhaps they did influence it a bit, but certainly, they didn't go in there and tell them to do these things. All it was was a demonstration of what a standard prison environment can create. To argue that the standard prison doesn't involve such actions is pointless and fruitless. It was a simulation of a standard prison environment, not a standard prison.
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Actually, physical abuse was banned according to the Wikipedia article, yet they went ahead and did it anyway. The moment the rules were broken, the experiment should have been stopped or at least modified. I find the entire thing distasteful at the very least, sickening really, although you obviouly have different views on the matter. This is pointless banter now, and although I'm still slightly disturbed that you would support such an 'experiment', there's obviously no point in shouting, "I'm right!" over and over like we're doing now.
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True enough.

Obviously I didn't read hard enough. :\
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No, the point was to simulate a prison environment.
Modern prisons do not require men to dress up in women's underwear as humiliation, as far as I can tell. Nor do they address prisoners entirely by their number. Nor a whole slew of other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

Obviously not as extreme, but there's your womens' underwear, and "Tent City" is just cruel.
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That's still one extreme case out of the thousands of prisons in America.
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Only difference between "Sheriff Joe" and most other prisons/jails is that he doesn't bother to cover up his feelings. Criminals are believed to be less than human, and are treated as such. You don't think prisons have that sort of violence? Just look at cops on the street. They treat even regular citizens like trash. Any time there's that kind of superior/inferior relationship, the superiors will act, well, superior.

"Because if that hadn't been an experiment, the things done to the 'prisoners' would have been levied against the 'guards' as violations of abuse laws, at the very least."

Pah. Who would they report it to? Who would believe them? Again, this is obviously on a much more controlled scale, but maybe not as controlled as you would like to think.
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No, most of them don't, really. I don't know where you got such a cynical view of the justice system, but I happen to have a friend who wants to be a cop, and through him, am familiar with my district's police station, so . . . Yeah. And there are such things as civil rights groups that rally for the rights of prisoners; in fact, some believe prisoners are given too many rights. Some prisons are more like hotel suites than anything.

Why are you people all so darn cynical? The government is not out to get us and the cops aren't pigs who try to destroy the lives of as many innocent human beings as they can. Yeesh.
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The government's out to get people of color, and so are the cops.

And that's a truth you can't deny.
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What? L O L. Then why did you make this topic? If human beings were truly as cruel as you say, then we wouldn't be able to recognize or feel regret for our cruelty.
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The government's out to get people of color, and so are the cops.

And that's a truth you can't deny.

They are inherently more suspicious, which is a sad truth. I wouldn't call it 'out to get'. The cops are far more quick to jump to conclusions concerning people of color, but, of course, you see many black people serving on the police force too. Of course, the movement for equality only began what? 50 years ago? In another 100 years, I hope (and believe) this will no longer hold true.
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It was a movement against state-sponsored discrimination, not equality. Equality's a long ways away.

Although I agree 'out to get' is a bit of a strong term.
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This topic is so making me debate whether or not I should see exactly how large a capacity for cruelty I have, and let it loose on you, Luk. Mmhmm. 'course, it wouldn't do much good, would it? This is the internet. I can't do anything to actually hurt you, now can I? I can upset you, or hurt your feelings, but you'll get over it, because this is the internet.

Tell me, Luk, do you say this stuff in real life? Do you go around preaching your pathetic views to everyone that you see on the street, or to all of your friends, or even to your own family? I doubt it.

You know why you post it here, but don't say it out there? Because you know that this kind of stuff can get you in trouble. There are always those people out there who just can't stomach anyone who says shit about them, or whatever. Because they're human, and if you talk bad about humanity, you're talking bad about them. You say this out there, and there's a chance someone will kick your ass, or worse.

Maybe they'll just yell at you, but out there, they can go beyond that. Here, online, you're relatively safe. You can preach to us, and the most we can do is insult you. That's all we can do, and that's why you post it here. Maybe no one cares that you think humanity sucks, or that we have unparalleled capacity for cruelty. But that doesn't stop you, now does it? It just makes you want to do it more, because that just means less people will yell at you.

Maybe I'm reading you all wrong, though. Maybe you do go out there, and preach your self written gospel, and the people listen, and they repent, and try the best they can to be good people.

The thing is, Luk, you're right. Humans can be crueler than any other species on Earth. Not all are, and you barely escape scorn on this point because you use the word "capacity". I could say a lot of things, all in defense of humanity, but I won't. The thing is, no one really gives a fuck about the good that happens, no one really cares about what they have. Humans, by nature, at least in these times, want to complain about what is wrong, and they want to fix it.

You know how you stop humanity from being cruel? By wiping it off the planet. All humans have an unparalleled capacity for cruelness. Every single last one of them. So why don't we just get rid of them all, and make the world a better place? Oh, yes, because WE'RE human, and no humans want to kill themselves without reason. Emos have reasons, however idiotic they are, but if you say to someone "you have a chance that one day you might be incredibly cruel, so DIE!", chances are they won't follow your advice.

The thing is, Luk, that you aren't going to change the fact that humans are cruel, or can be cruel, or have unparalleled capacity for cruelness, or any of these things. The thing is, Luk, you're focusing on the bad side of things, saying humans suck, but guess what, Luk, you're human. You can't change that you're human, and you can't change human nature.

Of course, Luk, I'm reading you wrong again. You know that you can't change anything, and you know that you're a human too. And yet, you still say "humanity sucks", and say that "humans have an unparalleled capacity for cruelty". The thing is, why would you say such a thing? People, by nature, want to complain, like I said. People love complaining, because it's what shows that they have freedom. It shows that they know right from wrong. It shows something, but noone really knows what. Sure I just listed two things, but those aren't what really makes people complain.

Why people complain is something that I will never understand. I complain, as well. I love complaining. I complain with a PASSION, at times. I love to say "______ is horrible, it needs to change". I often do so in a SELF-RIGHTEOUS FURY, thinking that anyone who DARES to oppose me must be wrong. I may not show it on smaller issues, but on big things, like THE WORLD, I become ENRAGED at anyone who dares to oppose my grand view, my GRAND DESIGN.

But this isn't you, is it Luk? You don't want to fit the world to what you want, you aren't proclaiming things with an unmatched fury, trying to beat down opponents of your view. You aren't insulting anyone for thinking differently, you merely explain your reasoning.

You, Luk, are just a simple person who came to a truth you believe, and simply stated it, wanting to share what you found with your friends. You aren't a preacher, you aren't someone who wants to change the world, and you aren't someone who complains without reason. You aren't complaining at all, merely stating what you think.

The thing is, Luk, what you think is what is true. The thing is, truth hurts us. They say that bliss is ignorance, because no one wants to see the truth. The truth is ugly, the truth is painful. The truth is that humans are cruel, Luk, and the truth is, no one wants to accept that truth. That's why people want to argue with you, because no one wants to accept that this is truth.

The thing is, Luk, that by stating this truth, by forcing us to stare it in the face, you are being cruel. You are showing that humans have unparalleled capacity for truth, simply by posting this.

The thing is, Luk, you are your truth.
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Selective reading?


Our capacity for sympathy is also unparalleled, so I don't understand what you mean.
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Actually(and while I certainly do applaud people who do so), it still stems from self-interest.

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This topic is so making me debate whether or not I should see exactly how large a capacity for cruelty I have, and let it loose on you, Luk. Mmhmm. 'course, it wouldn't do much good, would it? This is the internet. I can't do anything to actually hurt you, now can I? I can upset you, or hurt your feelings, but you'll get over it, because this is the internet.


Obviously.

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Tell me, Luk, do you say this stuff in real life? Do you go around preaching your pathetic views to everyone that you see on the street, or to all of your friends, or even to your own family? I doubt it.


You doubt correctly.

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You know why you post it here, but don't say it out there? Because you know that this kind of stuff can get you in trouble. There are always those people out there who just can't stomach anyone who says shit about them, or whatever. Because they're human, and if you talk bad about humanity, you're talking bad about them. You say this out there, and there's a chance someone will kick your ass, or worse.


And?

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Maybe they'll just yell at you, but out there, they can go beyond that. Here, online, you're relatively safe. You can preach to us, and the most we can do is insult you. That's all we can do, and that's why you post it here. Maybe no one cares that you think humanity sucks, or that we have unparalleled capacity for cruelty. But that doesn't stop you, now does it? It just makes you want to do it more, because that just means less people will yell at you.


'Preach?' In case you didn't notice, I did mention that this was meant to be 'discussed.'

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Maybe I'm reading you all wrong, though. Maybe you do go out there, and preach your self written gospel, and the people listen, and they repent, and try the best they can to be good people.


What would be the point? Win two people over so they can be misanthropes? Don't misjudge my intent.

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The thing is, Luk, you're right. Humans can be crueler than any other species on Earth. Not all are, and you barely escape scorn on this point because you use the word "capacity".


Of course I used the word 'capacity.' Forget scorn, I wouldn't have an argument if I did.

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I could say a lot of things, all in defense of humanity, but I won't. The thing is, no one really gives a fuck about the good that happens, no one really cares about what they have. Humans, by nature, at least in these times, want to complain about what is wrong, and they want to fix it.


Of course nobody cares about the good. It's called 'sensationalism.' Oh, wait, wrong subject.

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You know how you stop humanity from being cruel? By wiping it off the planet. All humans have an unparalleled capacity for cruelness. Every single last one of them. So why don't we just get rid of them all, and make the world a better place? Oh, yes, because WE'RE human, and no humans want to kill themselves without reason. Emos have reasons, however idiotic they are, but if you say to someone "you have a chance that one day you might be incredibly cruel, so DIE!", chances are they won't follow your advice.


Did I ever recommend that people die? No. Tell me, Okami, my old 'friend,' what was my original statement on this subject? Do enlighten us.

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The thing is, Luk, that you aren't going to change the fact that humans are cruel, or can be cruel, or have unparalleled capacity for cruelness, or any of these things. The thing is, Luk, you're focusing on the bad side of things, saying humans suck, but guess what, Luk, you're human. You can't change that you're human, and you can't change human nature.


Of course I'm human. What else would I be? It's not as though misanthropes become some other species upon coming to terms with their misanthropy. Not that I'm currently a misanthrope.

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Of course, Luk, I'm reading you wrong again. You know that you can't change anything, and you know that you're a human too. And yet, you still say "humanity sucks", and say that "humans have an unparalleled capacity for cruelty". The thing is, why would you say such a thing? People, by nature, want to complain, like I said. People love complaining, because it's what shows that they have freedom. It shows that they know right from wrong. It shows something, but noone really knows what. Sure I just listed two things, but those aren't what really makes people complain.


Why would I say such a thing? Why do people seek the meaning of life? Why do people try to get to the center of religion?

Because people want to know the truth.

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Why people complain is something that I will never understand. I complain, as well. I love complaining. I complain with a PASSION, at times. I love to say "______ is horrible, it needs to change". I often do so in a SELF-RIGHTEOUS FURY, thinking that anyone who DARES to oppose me must be wrong. I may not show it on smaller issues, but on big things, like THE WORLD, I become ENRAGED at anyone who dares to oppose my grand view, my GRAND DESIGN.


If it involves loli, I'm in favor.

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But this isn't you, is it Luk? You don't want to fit the world to what you want, you aren't proclaiming things with an unmatched fury, trying to beat down opponents of your view. You aren't insulting anyone for thinking differently, you merely explain your reasoning.


Close enough, I suppose.

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You, Luk, are just a simple person who came to a truth you believe, and simply stated it, wanting to share what you found with your friends. You aren't a preacher, you aren't someone who wants to change the world, and you aren't someone who complains without reason. You aren't complaining at all, merely stating what you think.


I wouldn't mind changing the world, but who would? Again, close enough, I suppose.

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The thing is, Luk, what you think is what is true. The thing is, truth hurts us. They say that bliss is ignorance, because no one wants to see the truth. The truth is ugly, the truth is painful. The truth is that humans are cruel, Luk, and the truth is, no one wants to accept that truth. That's why people want to argue with you, because no one wants to accept that this is truth.


Nobody NEEDS to accept this is truth. It's just something I 'realized' in a fit of depression over various problems in this world.

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The thing is, Luk, that by stating this truth, by forcing us to stare it in the face, you are being cruel. You are showing that humans have unparalleled capacity for truth, simply by posting this.


Truth or cruelty?

Incidentally, if I'm being cruel, I'm cruel. I never said I was a perfect person.

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The thing is, Luk, you are your truth.


Is there a problem with this?

And how long did it take you to come up with that? For a moment, I thought it was one of those random copypasta essays with my name stuck in there a buncha times.

Incidentally, I've already moved on from the 'cruelty' statement(which was, as I mentioned, just a byproduct of momentary depression), but I've got too much pride to just roll over from this because of that.

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I think this is a job for Bucky, the emo slayer.

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