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Topic Started: Feb 19 2007, 04:54:04 AM (459 Views)
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Discuss!
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Mya?
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Belongs in Serious Discussion in the Debate forum.
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I was gonna say that, but we don't know what to discuss yet. It could be unserious, as well, mya.
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All Hail LightKratos!
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Where's your avvy from, mya?
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no discussion?
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from some peoples sigs on the Gfaqs board, they explicitly said " the warship of so and so is the only way to stop human sin and war" or something similar. Which kind of implies that one religeon reigns supreme over another, which is what starts war, an arguement saying "So and so is better than so and so".... opinions, thoughts, etc?
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Oh, saying which religion is better, mya?

That's easy. Lightkratosianism, mya.
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We don't need a god to start a war.
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Is that what the debate is?
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I guess. Fantasymaster needs to learn grammar and spelling.
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Blade Myrmidon
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eh?
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Mya?

Anyways, I couldn't understand the prompt either. rn7, wanna make a new prompt?
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...Prompt?
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FINE! What do YOU call them then, mya? QUESTIONS?! *runs away crying*
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what prompt? I'm just asking if you think a certain religeon should be publicly favored over others.
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Yes. Lightkratosianism.
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BlackKnight1239, eh?
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Organized religon is no longer needed in this world. All it causes is war and hate.
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YOU DARE INSULT LIGHTKRATOS?! *war and hate @ BK*
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My point excatly. *kills Okami*
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Organized religon is no longer needed in this world. All it causes is war and hate.

So... unorganized religion?


"Okay. Will the congregation please turn to page 23? 'Yea, and the lord shall...' Dammit, where's my notes? Okay, screw that. Open your hymnals to page 32, and... hey, there's my danish from Wednesday! Still fresh! Praise the Lord!"

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Organized religon is no longer needed in this world. All it causes is war and hate.

So... unorganized religion?


"Okay. Will the congregation please turn to page 23? 'Yea, and the lord shall...' Dammit, where's my notes? Okay, screw that. Open your hymnals to page 32, and... hey, there's my danish from Wednesday! Still fresh! Praise the Lord!"

Congregation: "Hallelujah!"

Better than what we got now.
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I don't understand how you can say all it causes is hate and war.
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Lightkratosianism is the worlds worst religion.
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Religion itself is a good thing. People thrive on belief. We need belief. Some believe in God, some believe in science. But the thing is, we can't be satisfied with living in the world. We have to figure out the rules of the world, whether to end up in Heaven or to improve society (though technology has been growing slowly more harmful than productive).

God's just people's hopes and beliefs. Whether or not God is real or not is irrelevant. But religion itself eases the mind and soul.

But then we get into organized religions or the use of religion on Earth. Organized religions have different rules, different interpretations of the same thing (Jesus is the messiah or Jesus is not), and the runners of them feel like they need to make sure their religion is the only one. This is the same thing with science, which also gets into the problem of the use of it on Earth. I don't think nuclear warheads was a good idea, guys, if we're working to make a productive society.

I like religion as a whole. I like science itself. I don't like churches and things like that. I don't like the way technology's focus has been diverted.
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Good points, book.

Religion and science both bring something to the table, as well. Religion gives people moral values, and science gives people the means to carry it out. Without either, we'd be doomed. Organized religion, IMO is quite the opposite of organized. I mean, we have priests running amok raping kids. I'd hardly say that's an 'organized' institution. I'd prefer it if people went to church just to pray, and nothing more. Do your own learning of the bible, and interperet it in your own way... Maybe I should convert to Islam, because that's what they do.
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Maybe I should convert to Islam, because that's what they do.


Islam is a demanding religion, though. Prayer five times a day without cease, ever, fasting during the month of Ramadan, abstinence from pork, wine, and gambling, and pilgrimages. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to someone unless they were willing to devote a lot of time to it.

Anyway, organized religion isn't bad--it's people that make it bad. There's this whole "mine is best" theory that is so deeply ingrained into peoples' mindsets that causes all these wars to begin.

I like science since it's clear--I mean, you're usually wrong or you're right, there are few "middle grounds" (Big Bang/Evolution and such excluded).

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Eh, the problem with science is that it's permanent and too available. Religion's always mystical and stays at the same distance of accessibility. Science is growing too permanent, too accessible. It's too abusable, especially since things become permanent.

Anyone read Digital Fortress other than me? There was a plan to create a world standard algorithm, rumored to be unbreakable, but a backdoor was intended to be implanted so the NSA could have total access to email and Internet communications. There's no way out of that. It's too permanent. Too accessible. Absolute control. It won't go well once there's a 1984-ish government, which we're heading towards.
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Not at all. Half of the "atrocities of science" we hear are exaggerated; just as half the atrocities of religion are exaggerated.

Of course, nuclear warheads is an issue, but hopefully none too serious. No one nation would fire a nuke at this point in time.

And we're not at all heading towards an absolutist government. That would be when we dissolve Congress.
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I mean, you're usually wrong or you're right, there are few "middle grounds"


Imho, this is very far from the truth. Oftentimes, standards are quite far from what is considered 'correct,' and a few radical scientists can create quite a bit of conflict...aside from debates and such. Look at Galileo and Copernicus(although to be fair, that was religion biting them in the ass).

Honestly, I think you're all overstating the 'priest rape children oh teh noez' issue. Sure, there's quite a few priests like that out there, but there's an overwhelming majority that DON'T do that, unless I've missed some recent developments. People have a tendency to look at the minority and say 'this is bad,' then look at the whole and say 'that was bad, this is bad too.' Sensationalism is quite a trap.
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Also, what do you mean by permanent and accessible?
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Well, by accessible, things are, well, easily accessed. Three to five decades ago, any kid could just place in an order for a gun and get it. Right now, anyone can get the Internet and google some pr0n. That's examples of minor accessibility, but what if it escalates into something bigger?

There's a Princeton paper that's been kept confidential by the U.S. Government. A student was writing about how to create an atomic bomb with stuff at home.

As for permanence, intelligence information. People are constantly trying to beat things like the NSA. But right now, things like the NSA are alright. They're there to protect the country.

But what happens if somehow, due to the growth of technology, there's some technology that allows total access with ease and is unbeatable? That's permanent right there. And when in the future there's a government without our interests at heart, there's no chance at freedom.

Meh, maybe I didn't explain well. I'm bad at explanations.

But what I'm trying to say is, I like science, I like religion. What I don't like is the use of both currently.
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I don't know what you mean by permanent, tho.

I'll reply to the other stuff later, remind me to do so. I have to go outside and watch my siblings nao.
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And we're not at all heading towards an absolutist government. That would be when we dissolve Congress.

Dissolving Congress sounds pretty cool to me, as long as you remember to dissolve the rest of the federal government.

I'm a fairly irreligious person, but I am not anti-religious. Only a fool would insist that religion does not have positive qualities.
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Organized religon is no longer needed in this world. All it causes is war and hate.

Religion isn't a cause for war,rather, an excuse.
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The funny thing about Evolution and the Big Bang theory, is that the reason they have middle grounds, is because religious people refuse to believe their world exists in any way other than the way their "creator" made it.
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The funny thing about Evolution and the Big Bang theory, is that the reason they have middle grounds, is because religious people refuse to believe their world exists in any way other than the way their "creator" made it.


As concerning evolution. I partially agree. I think it is more man's arrogance however, that causes this refusal to believe the scientific evidence. The human race does not want to think that it was ever a lower creature such as apes. In the same way they did not want to believe the earth was not the center of the universe before that was proven. They declared that to be sacriligious too. The funny thing is, neither has much to do with God. There is no reason for him not to use evolution and no reason to place one planet (ours) of perhaps trillions of planets in the exact center of the universe.

As for the Big Bang theory. It is either or. You have to believe the creation of the universe was deliberate or an accident. If it was an accident, ions randomly banging together, etc. Then it follows that all events after were also accidents springing from the first one. Something deliberate could not be created from something accidental now could it. So everything that followed was an accident. All the way down to me, sitting here, deciding the universe was an accident. This thought, therefore, must be an accident too. Since this thought is merely an accident. I'm not inclined to trust it. Or the whole theory for that matter. Since I believe the thought to be deliberate, but if the universe was simply an accident, it could not be. It is a logical conundrum.

I believe that I determine my own destiny, that my thought patterns are not just random, but determined my me, not simply an accident.

This is why I believe the creation of the universe was deliberate.

An afterthought:

It always surprises me that people are always on one end of the spectrum or the other. It is not hard to believe that something, somewhere, started the universe. This does not neccessarily make you a religious person.

To believe that this thing is still around, is perfect and always in the right, and listens to everyone's prayers at night, that makes you religious and a believer in some sort of God.

The middle ground (believing something created the universe at one time but not believing anything else and certainly not worshipping this being is the middle ground in this case.
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As for the Big Bang theory. It is either or. You have to believe the creation of the universe was deliberate or an accident. If it was an accident, ions randomly banging together, etc. Then it follows that all events after were also accidents springing from the first one. Something deliberate could not be created from something accidental now could it. So everything that followed was an accident. All the way down to me, sitting here, deciding the universe was an accident. This thought, therefore, must be an accident too. Since this thought is merely an accident. I'm not inclined to trust it. Or the whole theory for that matter. Since I believe the thought to be deliberate, but if the universe was simply an accident, it could not be. It is a logical conundrum.

I believe that I determine my own destiny, that my thought patterns are not just random, but determined my me, not simply an accident.

This is why I believe the creation of the universe was deliberate.


Wait, what? I don't really follow your logic here. A mold, which grows randomly with no deliberate thought, can evolve into a human, but order cannot come from disorder? If it was really disorder, and not simply a reaction caused by whatever colliding particle thingies. I pretty much agreed with the rest of what you said, but I didn't quite understand this part.
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