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The "I hate Sasuke" Thread; there must be one
Topic Started: Sep 7 2006, 06:00 PM (1,480 Views)
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Seriously, Sasuke loves Naruto :P.
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^^ He does? I thought it was the other way around..
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they both love each other....okay? XD


Sasuke would be nothign without his sharingan but...why would that matter cause he does have it? Cause the same would apply with Itachi.

Sasuke is really pathetic...I would have just killed Naruto :]

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Sep 26 2006, 05:08 PM
No, he pwned even before he activated his Sharingan. He was the best student at the academy. If he didn't have the Sharingan, he'd have taken a different path of training, but would likely be as strong or almost as strong.

I don't think he'd be that strong even if he trained differently. His sharingan gives him to much help. I dont think he would have made it passed the chunin exams without it.

Without his sharingan, he couldn't have raised his speed to anywhere Lee's level in that time period, granted. He could have learned Chidori, but he wouldn't be able to detect the counter, which would make it an ineffective jutsu. However, he would have learned a high level jutsu around the same power as chidori, but one that doesn't require him being fast.

Without the Sharingan everything is different, but Sasuke would still be very powerful.
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Sep 26 2006, 05:08 PM
No, he pwned even before he activated his Sharingan. He was the best student at the academy. If he didn't have the Sharingan, he'd have taken a different path of training, but would likely be as strong or almost as strong.

You are correct, but think about this:

1) Naruto has gotten stronger than Sasuke if he didnt have Sharingan
2) Seconed he would have died in the Forest of Death if he didnt have it. He had to fight Oorochimaru and other powerful Members.
3) He would have been beaten by Gaara during the 3rd Chuunin Exam he used his Sharingan to reach Lee's speed (I HATE HIM FOR THAT THE MOST) and beat him.
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Actually, not counting the whole three year time skip in which he was assumedly trained by Orochimaru, Naruto was stronger than Sasuke in the fight, he only lost because he wanted to prove to Sasuke that he could "scratch his forehead," which gave Sasuke an opening. If compared next to each other, I'd say Kyuubi Naruto is stronger than Sasuke Curse Seal level 2.

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No, he pwned even before he activated his Sharingan. He was the best student at the academy. If he didn't have the Sharingan, he'd have taken a different path of training, but would likely be as strong or almost as strong.

You are correct, but think about this:

1) Naruto has gotten stronger than Sasuke if he didnt have Sharingan
2) Seconed he would have died in the Forest of Death if he didnt have it. He had to fight Oorochimaru and other powerful Members.
3) He would have been beaten by Gaara during the 3rd Chuunin Exam he used his Sharingan to reach Lee's speed (I HATE HIM FOR THAT THE MOST) and beat him.

1. Yes, but you must remember that if you remove the Sharingan, Saukes story progresses differently. He would have pursued different training methods which would have made him stong as well, just ones that didn't require his sharingan to work (Lees speed)

2. Ahh, there you're wrong. Because if he didn't have his sharingan, Orochimaru wouldn't have gone after him because Sasukes body would have no advantage over others.

3. Again, without his sharingan he would have pursued different training methods, and learn other jutsus he could fight Gaara with.

You have to remember that if he doesn't have his Sharingan, he'd use different training methods, which would change his strength and his fighting style.

EDIT: And in response to JE, why does everybody think that? I miss something in that fight? I was under the impression that Naruto wanted to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru., and show him that people in Konoha liked him.
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Sep 27 2006, 08:50 PM
^^ He does? I thought it was the other way around..

No, Naruto loves Sakura. Sasuke loves Naruto.
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Your right JE Kyuubi Naruto is a ton stronger than Sasuke Level 2 Curse Mark. First, Naruto was only in his 2nd Kyuubi Form out of the 4 tails weve seen so far so Sasuke wouldnt stand a chance. 2nd Beat89 the other times he fought other people he would have died in his first fight against the Grass Ninja until he activated sharingan 2nd he would have died against Kyuubi Naruto or at least lost. Sasuke reached his thrid wheel and that saved him from Kyuubi Naruto. Second, Sasuke was training using Chidori which he cant do without sharingan, and that is the only thing that hit Gaara so Gaara would have beaten him, and When Gaara had the Shukaku he could transform into and even beat Sharingan Curse Mark Sasuke in his fight until naruto came in and beat Gaara. If Sasuke didnt have sharingan what tequniques could he learn on his own. Only Fire Tequniques, shuriken thorwing Tequniques, and some combos but his most powerful tequniques are gone except his fire tequniques which are pretty powerful.
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O.o actually, Sasuke loves power, and hates everyone else :P.

@ beat: I think people think that because of what Sasuke says, and how confident he is about what he says. (The whole forehead scratching thing) Thusly, Naruto's desire to prove Sasuke wrong sorta overwhelmed him, and he put that as first priority.

I think..... I think :P.

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Maybe, but I'd assume after kicking the #### out of sasuke for a while Naruto wouldn't care as much about the forehead protector.

And Kakashi, I think you're SEVERELY overestimating the sharingan. Remember NONE of the kages had sharingan, and they're the strongest in the villiage. There are also plenty of strong ninjas who don't have it.

And if he DID NOT have it, he'd have learned jutsus that don't need it to function properly. Like a summoning technique or some other ninjutsu. You NEED to be aware of the fact that ALL of Sasukes story would be different if he didn't have the sharingan. It changes a lot if it vanishes from the story.
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Wow, so much anger to Sauce Gay...I mean Sasuke -cough- I'm just kidding, but I don't like Sasuke as much as I would like to. I mean I can understand that he seeks power to destroy the person who slaughtered his family and made his life a living hell, in a way. Though I mean honestly, he needs to be a bit more happier, I mean he should be GLAD he was spared and will be able to train to prove himself that he can kill the person who killed his family. Though I admit, Sasuke is an emo at time to time. xD And about the sharingan I agree with Beat. If he didn't have the sharingan, Orochimaru wouldn't have pursued after him and his plot and storyline would have been alot different, but he'd most likely be strong still because of his dedication to training and such.
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Sep 27 2006, 03:31 PM
Maybe, but I'd assume after kicking the #### out of sasuke for a while Naruto wouldn't care as much about the forehead protector.

And Kakashi, I think you're SEVERELY overestimating the sharingan. Remember NONE of the kages had sharingan, and they're the strongest in the villiage. There are also plenty of strong ninjas who don't have it.

And if he DID NOT have it, he'd have learned jutsus that don't need it to function properly. Like a summoning technique or some other ninjutsu. You NEED to be aware of the fact that ALL of Sasukes story would be different if he didn't have the sharingan. It changes a lot if it vanishes from the story.

You can ASSUME all you want. Would you know that Sasuke would change his training style of he hadnt had the sharingan? NO! and neither would I but who would have trained him? Kakashi taught him all of those powerful moves and treated him special because he had the sharingan? Without Kakashi who would train Sasuke?
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HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?!

Allow me to simplify this as much as possible. It is somwhat complicated though, so I can't garuntee you'll understand.

1. If anything in a story or character is changed, that messes with the whole organism. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Orochimaru does not come after him in the Forest of Death because Sasukes body has no advantage over anyone elses. Sasuke has no one to run to from Konoha.)

2. A person learns techniques based upon their unique strengths and attributes. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Therefore, he does not have the means to detect and avoid any counter. Kakashi [or whoever his teacher is] recognizes this, and does not teach him Chidori. Instead, he uses that training time to teach him another high level techinique which is suited to his strengths and attributes.)

3. It is likely that Kakshi would have still trained Sasuke. His reason was "Sasuke is similar to me." He didn't mean only that he had the Sharingan. He meant they were very similar people in personality, goals, and to some extent, fighting style. For more insight into this, read the Kakashi Gaiden. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Him and Naruto pass the Chuunin prelims. Sakura fails. Kakashi either A. Trains Sasuke with some powerfl ninjutsu other thatn chidori [see 2] or B. Trains Naruto, while assigning Sasuke to Ebisu. Sasuke has no problem learning from a powerful ninja like Ebisu, therefore has no objections. Ebisu, being a powerful Jonin, teaches Sasuke some powerful ninjutsu as well.)

4. Re-enforcing point one, same argument applies to Naruto. (Naruto never had the Kyuubi sealed in him. He would have been taken in by someone like Kibas family, and treated as a normal kid. He would have had friends, and would never had been as alone, or mistreated. He would have had ninja traing, and would not have felt the need to act out at the academy, and would have likely graduated much earlier.)

5. If you're saying his sharingan is cheap, then there no way you can glorify Narutos Kyuubi forms.



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YAY FOR SAI!
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Sep 30 2006, 02:59 PM
HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?!

Allow me to simplify this as much as possible. It is somwhat complicated though, so I can't garuntee you'll understand.

1. If anything in a story or character is changed, that messes with the whole organism. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Orochimaru does not come after him in the Forest of Death because Sasukes body has no advantage over anyone elses. Sasuke has no one to run to from Konoha.)

2. A person learns techniques based upon their unique strengths and attributes. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Therefore, he does not have the means to detect and avoid any counter. Kakashi [or whoever his teacher is] recognizes this, and does not teach him Chidori. Instead, he uses that training time to teach him another high level techinique which is suited to his strengths and attributes.)

3. It is likely that Kakshi would have still trained Sasuke. His reason was "Sasuke is similar to me." He didn't mean only that he had the Sharingan. He meant they were very similar people in personality, goals, and to some extent, fighting style. For more insight into this, read the Kakashi Gaiden. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Him and Naruto pass the Chuunin prelims. Sakura fails. Kakashi either A. Trains Sasuke with some powerfl ninjutsu other thatn chidori [see 2] or B. Trains Naruto, while assigning Sasuke to Ebisu. Sasuke has no problem learning from a powerful ninja like Ebisu, therefore has no objections. Ebisu, being a powerful Jonin, teaches Sasuke some powerful ninjutsu as well.)

4. Re-enforcing point one, same argument applies to Naruto. (Naruto never had the Kyuubi sealed in him. He would have been taken in by someone like Kibas family, and treated as a normal kid. He would have had friends, and would never had been as alone, or mistreated. He would have had ninja traing, and would not have felt the need to act out at the academy, and would have likely graduated much earlier.)

5. If you're saying his sharingan is cheap, then there no way you can glorify Narutos Kyuubi forms.

yeah i gat what your sasying but still why does sasuke have to act like hes all that when he is not and i hate sakura just as much


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I guess it's in Sasuke nature. He's a bit arrogant and since he lost all his family, he's also a bit dark.
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Sasuke Is That Person, That Can Talk And Act Like He's A "Big Time" Person. Then The Fight...Doesn't Match His Words, Well, Sometimes
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Yeah, i mean he is good for a genin, very good but he has a big mouth :P
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HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?!

Allow me to simplify this as much as possible. It is somwhat complicated though, so I can't garuntee you'll understand.

1. If anything in a story or character is changed, that messes with the whole organism. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Orochimaru does not come after him in the Forest of Death because Sasukes body has no advantage over anyone elses. Sasuke has no one to run to from Konoha.)

2. A person learns techniques based upon their unique strengths and attributes. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Therefore, he does not have the means to detect and avoid any counter. Kakashi [or whoever his teacher is] recognizes this, and does not teach him Chidori. Instead, he uses that training time to teach him another high level techinique which is suited to his strengths and attributes.)

3. It is likely that Kakshi would have still trained Sasuke. His reason was "Sasuke is similar to me." He didn't mean only that he had the Sharingan. He meant they were very similar people in personality, goals, and to some extent, fighting style. For more insight into this, read the Kakashi Gaiden. (Sasuke has no Sharingan. Him and Naruto pass the Chuunin prelims. Sakura fails. Kakashi either A. Trains Sasuke with some powerfl ninjutsu other thatn chidori [see 2] or B. Trains Naruto, while assigning Sasuke to Ebisu. Sasuke has no problem learning from a powerful ninja like Ebisu, therefore has no objections. Ebisu, being a powerful Jonin, teaches Sasuke some powerful ninjutsu as well.)

4. Re-enforcing point one, same argument applies to Naruto. (Naruto never had the Kyuubi sealed in him. He would have been taken in by someone like Kibas family, and treated as a normal kid. He would have had friends, and would never had been as alone, or mistreated. He would have had ninja traing, and would not have felt the need to act out at the academy, and would have likely graduated much earlier.)

5. If you're saying his sharingan is cheap, then there no way you can glorify Narutos Kyuubi forms.

U RETARD #3 OF YOUR THEORY IS COMPLETLY WHACKO!!!!


1. Kakashi and Sasuke arent the same AT ALL!! expect for Sharingan WHICH IS THE REASON HE HAS CHIDORI!!!! HE EVEN KAKASHI EVEN SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY GET IT IF YOU HAVE SHARINGAN!!

2. SO WHAT IF ITS A DIFFERENT STORY LINE!!! They would come up with something like all other great animes do. It takes time for people to come up with a story line and they would come up with something else.

3. SASUKE WOULD HAVE NO SPECIAL STRENGTHS OR ATTRIBUTES!! he could train Sasuke with fire and other stuff I said that if he didnt have sharingan not everything else...

4. Ebisu wouldnt train Sasuke... Ebisu wouldnt be involved at all in the time between the real matches start... Naruto would meet Jiraiya and train under him because it doesnt envole Sasuke at the time... to erally find out what would happen Kishimoto would have to change Naruto and then we could tell what happens
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Man.....how many times does Beat have to tell you? He told you atleast 2 times the same thing and you still dont get it.
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Sasukes cool! Don't dis him!
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@ GaaraShukaku: Don't go crazy, and beat's right.

1. Kakashi and Sasuke are similar personality-wise and stuff, so beat it entirely right one that.

2. Your arguement in no way disproves beats, there was no point to posting it :P.

3.Same with number 3, and Sasuke does have special attributes. He has an enormous amount of chakra at his disposal, and, like more shinobi, has enhanced speed, etc, etc.

4. There's no guarentee to that, Ebisu could end up training Sakura for all we know.

And finally, a warning for Dosu: You might want to run, there are some extreme Sasuke haters on this forum :P.

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And finally, a warning for Dosu: You might want to run, there are some extreme Sasuke haters on this forum :P.

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I don't think he cares. XD He's about as much of a Sasuke fan as SMOS! *shocking!!*
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I'll join the Sasuke bashers.

Then welcome to this :D ....Is this a club? :huh:
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