| Board of Education Meeting; Monday November 6, 2006 | |
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| Zeke | Nov 7 2006, 12:28 PM Post #46 |
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Yes it is. But the FACTS are the same for all of us! |
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| mega millions | Nov 7 2006, 12:35 PM Post #47 |
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We keep working at it. We stay involved. |
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| Pete | Nov 7 2006, 12:39 PM Post #48 |
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Opinion should be based on truth. If there is truth, there is right and wrong. I believe you can understand why someone has an opinion but you can't escape right and wrong. Truth can not be obfuscated. |
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| mikefromholland | Nov 7 2006, 12:45 PM Post #49 |
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I don't have time to address this question now -- my lunch time is almost over -- but I'll try to post on the question later in the evening. |
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| Livonia Voter | Nov 7 2006, 01:17 PM Post #50 |
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Could you be a tad more specific? |
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| Livonia Voter | Nov 7 2006, 01:21 PM Post #51 |
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion. If you want to believe the world is flat, go ahead. Just remember that I am entitled to debunk your opinion with the facts.
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| livoniamom | Nov 7 2006, 02:10 PM Post #52 |
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Oh my gosh -- we lost a staggering 520 students and we are worried that Steve King might have offended the auditors? Truthfully, I also questioned his reason for asking the question -- but now, we have bigger fish to fry. |
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| mega millions | Nov 7 2006, 02:19 PM Post #53 |
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I just have to laugh. Just look at all the political ads leading up to this election. Are every single one of them lies??? No, there are some shreads of truth to each of them. Not just the whole truth and definately not the whole story. That unfortunately transfers to everything about the Legacy Initiative and the Recall and what continues to this day. If you are one side, you disseminate one way and if you are on the other you disseminate it a different way. So how I chose to disseminate the truth into my opinon should not be criticized. Yes our enrollment is off significantly from projections, that is truth. Why it is off so much is a matter of opinion. You have no proof as to the actual number of students/families who left because of the LI. I am not saying that number won't come out at some point, but as we sit here today we can only guess about it. No need to be nasty just because you don't agree with someone. |
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| ILIkeLI | Nov 7 2006, 02:26 PM Post #54 |
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This is the biggest student loss in at least 10 years. The LI rolled this year, you don't think that it contributed significantly to the loss? Do you believe that it is just some kind of coincidence? Don't you agree that the administration should act responsibly (to avert more losses next year) to determine the reasons these 520 left? Or should we just let Dr. L's incredibly profound statement on that issue be the final word? The Observer quoted him as saying "well, people come and go.." You don't have a problem with Dr. L lying to the Observer saying that Northville's numbers were also down? Lisa L. saying how low the fund equity was pre-LI that it shouldn't be touched but now it will help bail out the LI? The notion pre-LI that $1.8 million was a substantial and well-worth it sum to "save" with this plan and now the $4 million loss is somehow insignificant? I don't get why any one or group would want to support the administration so much so that they turn a deaf ear to the lies and the misleading information that the district disseminates. Can we assume that you feel that the LI and it's "programs" were well worth the 520 student loss and the $4 million attached to that loss? |
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| Pete | Nov 7 2006, 03:16 PM Post #55 |
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Why are you so defensive when I wasn't be offensive. I was trying to speak philosophically. I should not have to explain the problems with the plan and underhanded way it was brought about and forced upon so many unhappy parents. But since you now are on the attack, you should realize another stubborn truth. You seem to be having difficulty allowing yourself to see that you might been wrong. Funny human trait, not wanting to be wrong about something. |
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| mega millions | Nov 7 2006, 03:26 PM Post #56 |
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I certainly think that it is fair to say that we experienced a loss of students due to the Legacy Initative. We just don't have the backup to support the exact number of student loss attributed to the LI. I was at the Conversation meeting where Mr. Varga got his information and I will tell you that Dr. Liepa stated that Northville had budgeted for a significant increase in students, did not get what they wanted and now have issues with what they had budgeted for. So I don't believe he misled anyone and he most certainly did not lie in that conversation meeting regarding Northville's numbers. He never said Northville experienced a loss of students. He only said they didn't get as many as they had budgeted for. Sometimes we just don't properly hear what is being said. As for your assumption that I feel that the LI and it's "program"s were well worth the 520 student loss and the $4 million attached to that loss? Well the juries still out on that one. Again, you don't have any proof that 520 students were lost all because of the LI. We all know that there were losses attributed to it, but until we have that number, I will withhold judgment until that time. |
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| Grant1 | Nov 7 2006, 03:34 PM Post #57 |
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Budgeted for a loss of 162 as projected by thier "experts" in central office. Lost 520 520 - 162 = 358 I could safely say 358 left because of the LI. I can have no other assumption as there is no other correlative data to build a relationship to this number. |
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| ILIkeLI | Nov 7 2006, 04:04 PM Post #58 |
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"Asked about the loss of students this fall, Liepa said the estimate was about 2.5 percent -- more than 400 students. That's well over the anticipated loss, something that other districts, including Southfield and Northville, also experienced, he added" http://www.hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/.../611020397/1027 Don't forget that Mr. Varga followed this up with a correction that stated Northville GAINED students. Apparently he felt Liepa's info was misleading also. Liepa was correct about Southfield's loss but not our close neighbor Northville. CORRECTION A story in Sunday's Observer about the community conversations stated incorrectly that the Northville school district had lost more students than anticipated. In fact, the district gained students, though that number was smaller than projected by that district's officials. |
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| f11 | Nov 7 2006, 04:16 PM Post #59 |
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You sure could safely say that....remember how "accurate" their historical enrollment projections have been. LPS STATES: DISTRICT PROJECTIONS HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ACCURATE TO WITHIN ONE QUARTER OF ONE PERCENT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THEY ARE NEVER OFF BY MORE THAN 50 STUDENTS! |
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| Administrator | Nov 7 2006, 04:21 PM Post #60 |
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Dave Varga was the one that got it wrong, but obviously from Mondays BOE meeting and the way it was explained, people getting it wrong is the intent. It's pretty simple. Northville gained 165. Livonia lost 520. Plymouth-Canton Gained 400, Livonia lost 520. |
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