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Board of Education Meeting; Monday, October 30, 2006
Topic Started: Oct 30 2006, 01:59 PM (2,790 Views)
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I'm just sneaking in at lunch right now, so if someone has time you might want to look this stat up.....
What was the loss percentage last year? How many Kindergarteners did we have coming in for 2005 as apposed to how many Seniors graduated for 2004. That will tell you something.
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Momforone
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2tots
Oct 31 2006, 11:45 AM
mega millions
Oct 31 2006, 11:36 AM
You need to start with the base of 400.  That number is a fact.  1500 - 1100 is 400.  From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving.  Again, the base loss is 400 kids.  Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin.  We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes.  Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this.  Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st.  In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%.  Again, an estimate until the final report is filed.  Here is another fact.  Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.

You are still ignoring the private kindergarten factor. You can't just look at the number kindergarten students this year and compare that to any other year. Many of the 1500 seniors who graduated in June also went to private kindergarten. Put another way: say the class of 2018 has 500 students total. Of that 500, 100 went to private kindergarten. Therefore, the enrolling class of 2018 only had 400 students attend LPS kindergarten. The remaining 100 students cannot be counted until they are in first grade. THEN you can add or substract according to students moving into and out of the district for other reasons.

Plus the students who transfer to LPS from private K-8 schools. Not everyone can afford 10K per year from private High School.
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mega millions
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Jimid: The 160 number is blended. There was discussion regarding as to why they used 160, but I don't have my notes with me and don't recall everything that was said. But my feelings on that are it is a guess --- maybe like connected math. You don't know the number until long after the budget is set. LPS historically has done very well at getting that number right. It is off this year.

2-Tots: I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't change the fact that you start with a loss of 400. Additions and substractions at every grade level are taken from there. Are you saying that we did not lose 400 kids from declining enrollment? Math tells me 1500 graduating seniors - 1100 incoming kindergartners is a loss of 400 kids. Again, you will make additional additions and substractions from that 400 number. I am not ignoring any other variables. I am just giving you a place to start. I believe what you are looking for are the number of kids that left because of the LI. Well the CFLF did their survey and I am sure they have that number.
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ForMySons
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Oct 31 2006, 11:18 AM
Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion.

some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.

The reason why I do not attend the BOE meetings are as follows: Monday evenings do not fit into my family's schedule and I cannot attend. Additionally I do not have cable and I need something to counterbalance the Observer Eccentric propaganda.

IMO: It took Liepa and his pals this long to come up with an excuse for the loss. His explanation does not take into account all of the families that left the district becuase of LI. This explanation is the biggest crock I have heard to date! I know personally of several families that left and will not be back. Someone who was truly interested in our district would have done an analysis of how many families left because of the LIe. This proves to me that Liepa is just another version of the Teflon man.
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We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.
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professionalmom
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Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 12:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

Well, first you have to admit there is a problem......................
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bmom
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Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

453 x 8000=====3.6 MILLION DOLLARS

I think I need heartburn medication and a drink!! This makes me so sad.
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Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 12:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

It's just a coincidence....... <_< At least to LIEpa.
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bmom
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professionalmom
Oct 31 2006, 01:12 PM
Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 12:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the  past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

Well, first you have to admit there is a problem......................

What is the medical term for chronic LIeing? I think we need to schedule an intervention for LIepa. I think he has gotten to the point where he is believing his own LIes.
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mega millions
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bmom
Oct 31 2006, 12:14 PM
Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the  past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

453 x 8000=====3.6 MILLION DOLLARS

I think I need heartburn medication and a drink!! This makes me so sad.

To get the right answer, you have to ask the right questions. Did we lose 453 kids because of the LI? The answer is clearly no. Yes, some portion of whatever the final decrease is will be attributed to unsatisfied "customers"

Obviously, you only see the number 453 --- you ought to be concerned about how that number was attained and it surely isn't all attributed to the LI.
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Momforone
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mega millions
Oct 31 2006, 12:58 PM
bmom
Oct 31 2006, 12:14 PM
Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the  past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

453 x 8000=====3.6 MILLION DOLLARS

I think I need heartburn medication and a drink!! This makes me so sad.

To get the right answer, you have to ask the right questions. Did we lose 453 kids because of the LI? The answer is clearly no. Yes, some portion of whatever the final decrease is will be attributed to unsatisfied "customers"

Obviously, you only see the number 453 --- you ought to be concerned about how that number was attained and it surely isn't all attributed to the LI.

But the district doesn't want to see the numbers lost due to the LI. That 's the whole point Mega. It's wasn't too many years ago that Randy was quoted in the Newspaper that loosing one student as too many. If we lost 200 or 250, it still too many kids. The Great Savings of the LI was for nothing. WHY CAN'T LPS SEE THAT? WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY ARE TO MAKE BUDGET CUTS THAT EFFECT TEACHERS AND OUR SPECIALS! :ph43r:
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fyi
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mega millions
Oct 31 2006, 12:58 PM
bmom
Oct 31 2006, 12:14 PM
Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the  past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

453 x 8000=====3.6 MILLION DOLLARS

I think I need heartburn medication and a drink!! This makes me so sad.

To get the right answer, you have to ask the right questions. Did we lose 453 kids because of the LI? The answer is clearly no. Yes, some portion of whatever the final decrease is will be attributed to unsatisfied "customers"

Obviously, you only see the number 453 --- you ought to be concerned about how that number was attained and it surely isn't all attributed to the LI.

Does it really matter? Any loss of enrollment means less money for the district.
We all should be concerned.
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f11
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All they budgeted for was around 160, so if its as high as 400, they are absolutely doing something wrong!!...and need to be fired!!
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NFarquharson
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mega millions
Oct 31 2006, 12:58 PM
bmom
Oct 31 2006, 12:14 PM
Jimid
Oct 31 2006, 01:08 PM
We can piss and moan about the numbers and how we got hear all day long. The fact is 2.5% is a very significant number. Way, way more than any year in the  past 10. That is 453 students! 453! I want to know what we are going to do about it.

453 x 8000=====3.6 MILLION DOLLARS

I think I need heartburn medication and a drink!! This makes me so sad.

To get the right answer, you have to ask the right questions. Did we lose 453 kids because of the LI? The answer is clearly no. Yes, some portion of whatever the final decrease is will be attributed to unsatisfied "customers"

Obviously, you only see the number 453 --- you ought to be concerned about how that number was attained and it surely isn't all attributed to the LI.

Everyone ought to be concerned about how many of the students that left did so because of the LI. I can understand why the board would not trust the CFLF survey,considering that we tried to recall them. What are they going to do to fairly assess how many of those students left specifically because of the LI?
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mega millions
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f11
Oct 31 2006, 01:14 PM
All they budgeted for was around 160, so if its as high as 400, they are absolutely doing something wrong!!...and need to be fired!!

160 is a blended number. If you don't understand this concept you really missed your opportunity last night to find out how it is calculated and how it was budgeted.
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