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Board of Education Meeting; Monday, October 30, 2006
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Topic Started: Oct 30 2006, 01:59 PM (2,791 Views)
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ILIkeLI
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Oct 31 2006, 10:39 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
WOW, does that top the 400 mark for students lost?
Randy, come on now, we have already posted the GAINS in enrollment by districts throughout the state. I think that those should be read off at the next BOE meeting. We wouldn't want the community mislead...AGAIN!
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Oct 31 2006, 10:54 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
WOW, does that top the 400 mark for students lost? Randy, come on now, we have already posted the GAINS in enrollment by districts throughout the state. I think that those should be read off at the next BOE meeting. We wouldn't want the community mislead...AGAIN!
...but remember, anectdotally, its the economy....
Maybe(wishful thinking)....they have been preparing their resignations all this time. Based on the failure of their plan.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:18 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
How convenient that you forgot to add the part where it was explained that graduating seniors in June 2006 totaled approximately 1500 kids. Incoming Kindergartners for September 2006 were 1100. 1500 - 1100 = 400. Right out of the gate, not LI effected is a student enrollment loss of 400. Interesting, a declining elementary loss of 400. Wow is that a surprise. If you are going to report on the meeting, report on the whole conversation with respect to student enrollment. Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion.
some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.
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f11
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Oct 31 2006, 11:24 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
How convenient that you forgot to add the part where it was explained that graduating seniors in June 2006 totaled approximately 1500 kids. Incoming Kindergartners for September 2006 were 1100. 1500 - 1100 = 400. Right out of the gate, not LI effected is a student enrollment loss of 400. Interesting, a declining elementary loss of 400. Wow is that a surprise. If you are going to report on the meeting, report on the whole conversation with respect to student enrollment. Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion. some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.
and none of those 400 had to do with the LI? THEY ALSO NEED TO FIRE THEIR STATISTICS GUY, CAUSE HE NEVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS BAD!! I THOUGHT THEY WERE ACCURATE TO +/- 1% hmmmmm...
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ILIkeLI
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Oct 31 2006, 11:27 AM
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- Oct 31 2006, 11:18 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
How convenient that you forgot to add the part where it was explained that graduating seniors in June 2006 totaled approximately 1500 kids. Incoming Kindergartners for September 2006 were 1100. 1500 - 1100 = 400. Right out of the gate, not LI effected is a student enrollment loss of 400. Interesting, a declining elementary loss of 400. Wow is that a surprise. If you are going to report on the meeting, report on the whole conversation with respect to student enrollment. Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion. some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.
So you are saying that enrollment losses are only counted as the difference between outgoing seniors and incoming kindergartners?? I am almost certain that isn't correct. Your logic doesn't make any sense. How about all of those in between that left due to the LI? Those are irrelevant? Or they don't exist?
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professionalmom
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Oct 31 2006, 11:28 AM
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- Oct 31 2006, 11:18 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
How convenient that you forgot to add the part where it was explained that graduating seniors in June 2006 totaled approximately 1500 kids. Incoming Kindergartners for September 2006 were 1100. 1500 - 1100 = 400. Right out of the gate, not LI effected is a student enrollment loss of 400. Interesting, a declining elementary loss of 400. Wow is that a surprise. If you are going to report on the meeting, report on the whole conversation with respect to student enrollment. Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion. some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.
I would hardly say that the loss of 400 students was not effected by the LI. Could new families have moved into Livonia and sent their kindergartners to LPS? Sure they could have! Are you trying to say that LPS lost 400 students based strictly on lower birth rates???? Based on the surrounding area's enrollments increases your argument defies logic.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:32 AM
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- Oct 31 2006, 11:18 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
How convenient that you forgot to add the part where it was explained that graduating seniors in June 2006 totaled approximately 1500 kids. Incoming Kindergartners for September 2006 were 1100. 1500 - 1100 = 400. Right out of the gate, not LI effected is a student enrollment loss of 400. Interesting, a declining elementary loss of 400. Wow is that a surprise. If you are going to report on the meeting, report on the whole conversation with respect to student enrollment. Why rely on someone to report their version on the blog when the meeting was open to anyone and you could have heard it for your self and come to your own conclusion. some of the other items discussed: Auditors, Pension costs, special education fund, steps in contracts, health care costs, insurance. All rather interesting topics.
You can't just look at the number of new kindergarteners and reach any conclusions. MANY children attend private kindergartens and enroll in LPS in the FIRST grade. I can count several that I know of (my daughter included) who did just that. I have got to believe that if I personally know so many children who did this, there are many more out there who did it too. So let's factor that number into our enrollment figures for this year. I'm sure it will offset your 400 student decline do to a smaller kindergarten class this year. So, how do you account for the hundreds of others?
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Oct 31 2006, 11:36 AM
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You need to start with the base of 400. That number is a fact. 1500 - 1100 is 400. From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving. Again, the base loss is 400 kids. Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin. We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes. Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this. Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st. In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%. Again, an estimate until the final report is filed. Here is another fact. Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:38 AM
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Liepa stated that enrollment this year was down 2.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... But then OF COURSE he proceeded to try to soothe the wounds by citing other communities that also had enrollment decreases.
Sir, many wrongs DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT! :angry:
Where? Are they in Southeast Michigan? Is he referring to Detroit?
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Oct 31 2006, 11:41 AM
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You need to start with the base of 400. That number is a fact. 1500 - 1100 is 400. From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving. Again, the base loss is 400 kids. Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin. We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes. Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this. Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st. In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%. Again, an estimate until the final report is filed. Here is another fact. Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.
Not if LPS would have designed a plan to ATTRACT students to the district! Why is it that Livonia is the only district that is seeing this huge decrease in kindergarteners??? Something in the water?
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Oct 31 2006, 11:45 AM
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- Oct 31 2006, 12:36 PM
You need to start with the base of 400. That number is a fact. 1500 - 1100 is 400. From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving. Again, the base loss is 400 kids. Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin. We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes. Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this. Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st. In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%. Again, an estimate until the final report is filed. Here is another fact. Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.
Then why did LPS budget for a total loss of 160 this year? That prediction is off by a little more than 1%.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:45 AM
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Also, how many parents of kindergartners decided to go private or elsewhere due to the LI? I suppose that the huge decrease in that group COULD very well be due to the LI also. Parents may be choosing to steer clear from the very start.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:45 AM
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You need to start with the base of 400. That number is a fact. 1500 - 1100 is 400. From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving. Again, the base loss is 400 kids. Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin. We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes. Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this. Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st. In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%. Again, an estimate until the final report is filed. Here is another fact. Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.
You are still ignoring the private kindergarten factor. You can't just look at the number kindergarten students this year and compare that to any other year. Many of the 1500 seniors who graduated in June also went to private kindergarten. Put another way: say the class of 2018 has 500 students total. Of that 500, 100 went to private kindergarten. Therefore, the enrolling class of 2018 only had 400 students attend LPS kindergarten. The remaining 100 students cannot be counted until they are in first grade. THEN you can add or substract according to students moving into and out of the district for other reasons.
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Oct 31 2006, 11:51 AM
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That is true. Many people who desire full day kindergarten do not use LPS for this (they use places like The Learning Tree).
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Oct 31 2006, 11:52 AM
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You need to start with the base of 400. That number is a fact. 1500 - 1100 is 400. From that you will have additions of people moving in or bringing their kids into the high schools from private and you will have substractions of people removing their kids because of the LI and from moving. Again, the base loss is 400 kids. Historically, LPS has been able to track enrollment to a 1% margin. We will also gain numbers from the shared time program for all of you who took your kids out and put them at St. Mikes. Let's remember it is a blended number, not a straight up you had this, you lost this and you added this. Every single school district that has reported numbers - those numbers are deemed estimates until their final report is filed with the county on November 1st. In September, Dr. Liepa stated in the newspaper that our loss was going to be over 2%. Again, an estimate until the final report is filed. Here is another fact. Even if we went with the Alternative Legacy Plan that Nancy presented --- our base loss would have started with 400.
Dr. Liepa state last night that the district lost 2.5% from the K-12 count. I guess you had to be there. Too bad they don't tape the community conversations to have these little talks on record. Mrs. Scheel and Mrs. Markian both stated that they would still have voted for the LI, knowing about the additional funds from DTE. According to them, it wasn't about money, it was about student programs and what was best. The whole thing doesn't make sense. The whole point of the LI was to save 1.8 million dollars. Do they really know what's going on or what? So what is the district going to do next year when they can't offer my daughter violin because they don't have the money due to the loss of students due to the LI. Liepa also stated he wasn't going to survey the people who left the district and that he also didn't know what the percentage of students loss was due to the LI. It's called denial.
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