| School Supplies/Fundraisers; Going Broke | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 13 2006, 09:43 AM (7,053 Views) | |
| Anna Krome | Sep 13 2006, 06:25 PM Post #16 |
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When you think of it in terms of "we've already paid for these things w/our tax dollars," as Grant1 suggested, it does feel off-putting that the BOE has not instituted a consistent policy for schools. Is it really true that bonuses are awarded based on "savings" in supplies at the el or beyond school level? AK |
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| Grant1 | Sep 13 2006, 09:13 PM Post #17 |
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Rumor has it that this is based upon the schools budget. Whatever it takes to come in under budget is probably up to the discretion of each schools top administrator |
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| Anna Krome | Sep 14 2006, 06:09 AM Post #18 |
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At Frost this year, the principal informed that she made the personal decision not to mail home the late-summer information packets "to save money." I noted that the information packet was over half PTA stuff. Why is PTA stuff part of the regular school packet? PTA makes plenty of their own $$, without costing taxpayers additional money in their photocopying and mailing costs. Now, I'm all for saving money, but I still ended up there two days in a row because of a glitch in their system. When I questioned about where the "savings" was going and how was it going to be applied...no answer. AK |
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| Iliveon-Levandownbytheriver | Sep 14 2006, 07:34 AM Post #19 |
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Some schools get "free supplies" and others are paying 25 cents a pencil? And its up to each schools budget to decide what goes on there? I want the principle audited then! That is bull****! Its very hard when you have 3 kids and they all get their own "Suggested" lists of MUST haves! Oh and last night I got a form asking me to purchase for my daughter a "Algebra to Go" study resouce book. Now I have to buy a book to go along with my duaghters class? ITS $18.95! And thats on top of the 40 bucks for a high school year book, 30 bucks for the middle school, god knows how much for the elementary, 50 bucks for each kids for the photo packet (have to share pictures with family and ex) and all the clothes and supplies! I had to get a job just to finance everything! And then you hear they make profits...on this crap! There goes my paycheck......sniff sniff.... You can tell Leipa is a CPA......cheap *******!!!!!! |
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| cmic | Sep 14 2006, 07:42 AM Post #20 |
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It is illegal for schools to require that you provide any supplies or books. If they are asking for it, they must provide it. They can ask for supplies if they word it in a way that shows that you don't HAVE to provide it. There have been law suits over this and schools have lost so they must be very careful. Livonia doesn't seem to acknowledge the severity of it though because I always received "required" supply lists. Challenge them and they will back down. They don't want to get sued because they WILL lose. Our tax dollars cover supplies. |
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| Grant1 | Sep 14 2006, 07:50 AM Post #21 |
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The Algebra book is not a requirement, so you do not have to buy it. We purposely did not buy the "suggested" resource books and waited for even the slightest inkling that any cirriculum was associated to it, luckily there was not, or else the district was going to be forced to repay all of the parents who did ( foolishly in my opinion ) actually buy the suggested books. You will also see that these "suggested resource materials" may vary in price from school to school. Get back to basics folks. The law states exactly what must be supplied by the schools, you do not have to supply anything that involves the cirriculum or the ability to complete any of the assigned work ( less a few minor projects, even those can be negotiated due to hardship ). The schools have been fooling parents for years...way before Liepa...on what is actually your reponsibility, and what you have already paid taxes for that is thier reponsibility. Technically, if it's on the list of what your child is supposed to be supplied by law, your child cannot be given a failing grade on the assignment if they are not given the materials to complete it. No assignments that involve materials that are not on the list can be cause for your child to receive a failing grade either. Don't be fooled again. Know your rights. Challenge. Advocate for your child and yourself. |
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| c3hull | Sep 14 2006, 07:57 AM Post #22 |
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I hope everyone reading this will stand up for what their children are entitled to and ask that LPS provide the "suggested materials". I also hope people show up at Monday's BOE meeting and speak up about what's going on at their childrens school(s). LPS keeps sticking it to us parents. Well, we need to continue to attend BOE meetings, write letters to the O &E, etc. Unless we keep pointing things out, we will continue to get railroaded. I am so fed up with the way things work in LPS and the arrogance of the administration. PLEASE come prepared for audience communications on Monday Sept. 18th! :angry: |
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| professionalmom | Sep 14 2006, 09:26 AM Post #23 |
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I'm curious if this is true for the classes that LPS provides at Catholic schools as well. I believe that LPS is receiving student equivalent $ for those students. Maybe they should be providing materials for those classes as well. |
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| fyi | Sep 14 2006, 09:50 AM Post #24 |
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The supply list from Holmes said "must" have. Ok....I just found it... It says: Your student will need the following items: Pencils Pens (ink-bue, black) Loose-leaf paper Folders (one for each class, two pockets) Spiral notebook (one for each class) Highlighter 3 ring binder (2 inches wide) divider tabs for binder calculator (any scientific such as TI 30 xIIS) Book socks or covers for all textbooks checking pen/pencil (red) The list continues with "additional items may include" and "your student might need".... |
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| Grant1 | Sep 14 2006, 10:15 AM Post #25 |
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Ahhhh...but does it say for those items that your student will need who actually has to provide them? If it does not it sure makes a clear implication that it is the parents responsibility to supply these items. sneaky sneaky sneaky...watch the wording carefully, they have ambulance chasing lawyer types that write all of this stuff up as to confuse the customer, and absolve them of any wrongdoing "Your Honor, Our clients never said the parents had to supply these items, we only said that the student will need them. It was never our intention to mislead anyone"
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| fyi | Sep 14 2006, 10:42 AM Post #26 |
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You're right it's sneaky. The list is entitled "2006-2007 school supply list." Directly above the list it states: "This is a list of recommended supplies that your student will use during the school year. Elective teachers will provide a list at the beginning of each of their 10-week courses. Any questions regarding items on the list should be directed to the classroom teacher." |
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| BoaterDan | Sep 14 2006, 01:08 PM Post #27 |
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So I'm clear, you're saying a teacher can't make an assignment to build a diorama in a shoebox and mark my kid down if they don't complete it unless the teacher supplied the shoebox? I'll have to watch more carefully this year to see what the actual wording of those assignment is, but every year so far we've had one and it's been certainly at least implied that we needed to do it on our own time with our own materials. One of my kids already had an assignment this year requiring us to make a special trip to the store for clear contact paper - not something most homes have around. I told my wife I would have had him ask the teacher for the stuff but she was very worried about him getting marked down because it wasn't complete. Now we know.
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| mom2kids | Sep 14 2006, 01:50 PM Post #28 |
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I heard a rumor from an elem. last year that current year's requested "group" items (to be shared) go in a store room for next year, and the cycle continues each year. Any one else ever hear of this? I have not seen that happen, but it would basically be us stocking the school, and our kids may or may not get the benefit (ie, "LIe", moving up to Jr. High, moving, etc.). |
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| concerned mom | Sep 14 2006, 02:03 PM Post #29 |
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Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky is right. I am floored by what these lists are "suggesting" and how much they have changed in recent years. I never had a problem with boxes of kleenex, sanitizing wipes, etc. But notebooks, pencils, scissors, folders and glue sticks? Are you telling me that the principal is making the decision as to what supplies will be avialable to the teachers? Am I supposed to assume the teacher will pay for this if I don't supply it? How do the teachers feel about this? |
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| fyi | Sep 14 2006, 02:11 PM Post #30 |
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This one bugs me. If the district wants the textbooks protected, they need to give my child a book sock or a cover. :angry: |
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