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Hoover announcement
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 11 2006, 02:02 PM (3,033 Views)
me3D	Mar 11 2006, 03:20 PM Post #16
6th Grade Posts: 31 Group: Members Member #335 Joined: March 5, 2006	I agree that if it was announced over the PA that was wrong !! But you must blame the school and staff not the BOE. I'm sure they did not call each school and tell them to announce it.



NFarquharson	Mar 11 2006, 03:22 PM Post #17
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	me3D Mar 11 2006, 03:20 PM I agree that if it was announced over the PA that was wrong !! But you must blame the school and staff not the BOE. I'm sure they did not call each school and tell them to announce it. No one is blaming the BOE. Seems to me the principal is accountable.



me3D	Mar 11 2006, 03:26 PM Post #18
6th Grade Posts: 31 Group: Members Member #335 Joined: March 5, 2006	I believe that principal should be fired !! But I would make sure that really happened before you accuse anyone. Can anyone verify this?



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM Post #19
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree. My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know. Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this. I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school! Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also!



NFarquharson	Mar 11 2006, 03:47 PM Post #20
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	sunshine Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree. My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know. Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this. I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school! Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also! I hear what you are saying, and I suppose if it was very carefully worded, most children may not really catch/understand any of it. That being said, the adults in the building (teachers, other employees of LPS and parent helpers) might find it difficult not to react to what is such an emotional issue for many. There is no reason to announce over a PA system, but I would never call for someone to be fired without knowing the full story.



cmic	Mar 11 2006, 03:48 PM Post #21
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	sunshine Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree. My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know. Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this. I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school! Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also! Sunshine, I have agreed with you in the past but as for this, I whole heartedly disagree. There is a degree of professionalism that must be maintained as a teacher and an administrator. This administrator overstepped. As a teacher myself, I am surprised that you think this is acceptable. This is not a decision that a teacher or administrator should have the authority to make. That is what really tanks me about administrators and teachers in Livonia. As much as I like my school and the teachers there, I have never experienced such a "higher than thou" attitude in any district, EVER. I have found that administrator's and teachers dig in their heels and prefer to run things as a dictatorship. There have been some exceptions but for the most part, this is how I personally feel. Hopefully at some point, LPS teachers will get over themselves and realize that they need to work in a partnership with parents instead of against them or "above" them. Nothing personal against you, just my opinion.



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 03:52 PM Post #22
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:47 PM sunshine Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree.� My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know.� Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this.� I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school!� Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also! I hear what you are saying, and I suppose if it was very carefully worded, most children may not really catch/understand any of it. That being said, the adults in the building (teachers, other employees of LPS and parent helpers) might find it difficult not to react to what is such an emotional issue for many. There is no reason to announce over a PA system, but I would never call for someone to be fired without knowing the full story. I agree. And, for what it's worth, it was not announced that way at our school. Any discussion among staff members was done privately.



49chevy	Mar 11 2006, 03:54 PM Post #23
Answers questioned Posts: 1,270 Group: Members Member #306 Joined: February 15, 2006	sunshine Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree. My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know. Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this. I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school! Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also! As far as announcements...the school should remain neutral. Nothing should have been said either way it went.



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 04:01 PM Post #24
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	cmic Mar 11 2006, 03:48 PM sunshine Mar 11 2006, 03:37 PM NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 03:19 PM I agree.� My kids didn't even know about the court date at all as far as I know.� Elementary aged kids are rather young to be able to fully understand all of this.� I would be livid if I found out that they announced something like that over the PA at school!� Talk about it in the teacher's lounge if you want to, but that is just wrong. I agree. The children are too young to understand this at all. But then, if that is the case, then what harm would it be for them to hear "Injunction denied" over the P.A. system? They wouldn't know what that meant. If they were aware of the situation, and mature enough to understand the proceedings, then they were probably anxious to hear also! Sunshine, I have agreed with you in the past but as for this, I whole heartedly disagree. There is a degree of professionalism that must be maintained as a teacher and an administrator. This administrator overstepped. As a teacher myself, I am surprised that you think this is acceptable. This is not a decision that a teacher or administrator should have the authority to make. That is what really tanks me about administrators and teachers in Livonia. As much as I like my school and the teachers there, I have never experienced such a "higher than thou" attitude in any district, EVER. I have found that administrator's and teachers dig in their heels and prefer to run things as a dictatorship. There have been some exceptions but for the most part, this is how I personally feel. Hopefully at some point, LPS teachers will get over themselves and realize that they need to work in a partnership with parents instead of against them or "above" them. Nothing personal against you, just my opinion. I don't think this should have happened either,but, if it did, I also don't think an administrator should lose their job over it. I don't think the P.A. system should be used this way, but if it did happen, it truly would not have inflicted great harm on any student. The announcement was not made over the P.A. at my school. Poor judgement, probably. Intentional misuse of authority, nah.



mouse2	Mar 11 2006, 04:47 PM Post #25
Principal Posts: 85 Group: Members Member #318 Joined: February 25, 2006	cmic Mar 11 2006, 03:48 PM That is what really tanks me about administrators and teachers in Livonia. As much as I like my school and the teachers there, I have never experienced such a "higher than thou" attitude in any district, EVER. I have found that administrator's and teachers dig in their heels and prefer to run things as a dictatorship. There have been some exceptions but for the most part, this is how I personally feel. Hopefully at some point, LPS teachers will get over themselves and realize that they need to work in a partnership with parents instead of against them or "above" them. Nothing personal against you, just my opinion. WOW what you said here is so true . At my child school ( Kennedy ) Everything is that way. They will talk down to you and there's a hold alot more that I better not say. but thanks for letting me know that I am not alone in this thought.



c3hull	Mar 11 2006, 05:21 PM Post #26
Principal Posts: 1,422 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: October 25, 2005	f11 Mar 11 2006, 02:45 PM would it be appropriate to make an announcement such as? "CFLF has "x" signatures, so there will be a recall vote this summer"? My daughter goes to Hull, everytime we get another 1,000 signatures, I will call the school and ask that our secretary or principal make the announcement: "We are getting closer! Another 1,000 turned in! Hull may be open next year. YEAH!!!"



insupport	Mar 11 2006, 07:49 PM Post #27
Principal Posts: 296 Group: Members Member #323 Joined: February 28, 2006	I am curious as to why Hoover would be open next year just because there is a recall? I am beginning to believe that much of this oppositions has to do with school's closing not all the other reasons I keep hearing.



Grant1	Mar 11 2006, 07:51 PM Post #28
We have just begun to fight! Posts: 3,167 Group: Members Member #117 Joined: November 14, 2005	try again...everyone has an attachment firstly to thier neighborhood school, nobody wants thiers to be the one to close. Closings are inevitable, but not at the LI rate and methodology.



maxcoz	Mar 11 2006, 08:19 PM Post #29
Principal Posts: 104 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 15, 2005	My kids go to Hoover and I asked them both if this announcement was made and they both said "no". I will ask around to other parents to see if I can find out. Just because my kids didnt hear it doesn't mean that it didn't happen (they tend to have selective hearing at times), but if I had to guess, I would say it didnt happen. If I hear differently, I will post. My kids know what is going on (mainly my older one) because she hears it from other kids. I personally would never bring her to a courtcase of this type or to protest. (I saw alot of kids with the recall signs in front of the LPS building on Monday) It wouldn't be my personal choice to do so but to each his own!!



rooseveltmom	Mar 11 2006, 08:32 PM Post #30
Principal Posts: 322 Group: Members Member #59 Joined: October 31, 2005	Parents and children alike have seen enough of the transistion in their "Biweekly" updates. The BOE's Lecay propaganda is apparent now as it was when presenting this plan. Everything proir to it's conception was kept behind secure doors. I find this most troubeling of all. It would be different if there was communication to answer the many many questions that have been asked of the board. There has never been an opportinity for discussion. So to announce that there was a court decision at our or perhaps "their" schools should not have happened...


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