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Will you stay or will you go?; Enrolled at a non-LPS school
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sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 02:32 PM Post #31
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	Jimid Mar 11 2006, 02:25 PM They are talking about St. Mikes Sunshine. Anyone can attend. Yes, I understood that the discussion was centered on parochial schools. Like I said, private/parochial schools can be selective. From experience, I know if a student is accepted, then it is determined that the child has needs that cannot be met there, that student can be asked to leave. Not so in public schools!



Iliveon-Levandownbytheriver	Mar 11 2006, 02:32 PM Post #32
Principal Posts: 900 Group: Members Member #193 Joined: December 6, 2005	I think if you really look at the some catholic schools.....they do have some very nice programs. Alot more than we currently have available to us. (I mean my kids) Some even take the meap test and Iowa testing as well. I was shocked when I toured the schools to see how much the kids really did do there. I am not a product of Catholic Schools....so I had no idea. Its not like the kids take tests to get in there. At the high school level they do however. I think its not necessarily selective.....but space is limited and therefore that is why they do not take everyone that applies.



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 02:54 PM Post #33
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	St. Mike's does have a very good program. My neighbor's boys attend there and they are extremely happy. However, my response was in the context of "higher test scores." I would think the population of students with emotional/cognitive impairments or severe learning disabilities at St. Mike's is low. In public schools, those students take state mandated tests too. Unfortunately, their performance on these tests tend to be lower, thus impacting total scores for the public school. But public schools exist to serve all students and the diversity that students with challenges bring to the classroom enrich the lives of anyone that comes in contact with them. That having been said, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has a child with extremely special needs who has been successful in enrolling in St. Mike's or any other parochial school. LPS does provide services to some students at parochial schools, but only if needs are minimal. Anyone?



cmic	Mar 11 2006, 02:58 PM Post #34
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	sunshine Mar 11 2006, 02:10 PM cmic Mar 11 2006, 01:19 PM downwiththeschoolboard Mar 11 2006, 11:28 AM I don't think private schools offer the same level of education that public schools do.� Even tho I can't stand the LI, I'm all for good, free education (well, not free, my tax dollars are paying for them).� Plus, I don't want to pull my kids away from all their friends just because I'm unhappy with the system. Actually that is false. I am a public school teacher and I used to hold the same opinion until I spent time at St. Mike's and started seeing the calibur of students coming out of their institutions. Do you have personal quanitfiable experiences that make you think they aren't as good. Their test scores are almost always higher than public schools. Of course private schools' test scores will be higher. They can be selective of whom they choose to enroll in their programs. Public education is designed to meet the needs of all learners. That is exactly my point sunshine. I agree with you one hundred percent.



Administrator	Mar 11 2006, 03:02 PM Post #35
Administrator Posts: 3,069 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 5, 2005	You know what, people are leaving LPS to go to St. Mikes because they don't approve of the Legacy Initiative. Isn't that the point here? We really don't need any political spin to figure that no brainer out.



cmic	Mar 11 2006, 03:02 PM Post #36
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	sunshine Mar 11 2006, 02:54 PM St. Mike's does have a very good program. My neighbor's boys attend there and they are extremely happy. However, my response was in the context of "higher test scores." I would think the population of students with emotional/cognitive impairments or severe learning disabilities at St. Mike's is low. In public schools, those students take state mandated tests too. Unfortunately, their performance on these tests tend to be lower, thus impacting total scores for the public school. But public schools exist to serve all students and the diversity that students with challenges bring to the classroom enrich the lives of anyone that comes in contact with them. That having been said, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has a child with extremely special needs who has been successful in enrolling in St. Mike's or any other parochial school. LPS does provide services to some students at parochial schools, but only if needs are minimal. Anyone? I can't answer this question yet, but I will be able to in the future. My daughter is speech and language impaired. She will receive services in the afternoons during her full day kdg, so she won't even miss her instructional time! We will see about my older one the following year. We will sit down with the principal regarding her and see what is our best option for her. Our primary reason for putting them at St. Mike's is that we want them to be allowed and feel proud to have God in their lives. The LI is secondary to us. However, it was the swing vote.



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 03:13 PM Post #37
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	cmic Mar 11 2006, 03:02 PM sunshine Mar 11 2006, 02:54 PM St. Mike's does have a very good program. My neighbor's boys attend there and they are extremely happy. However, my response was in the context of "higher test scores." I would think the population of students with emotional/cognitive impairments or severe learning disabilities at St. Mike's is low. In public schools, those students take state mandated tests too. Unfortunately, their performance on these tests tend to be lower, thus impacting total scores for the public school. But public schools exist to serve all students and the diversity that students with challenges bring to the classroom enrich the lives of anyone that comes in contact with them. That having been said, I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has a child with extremely special needs who has been successful in enrolling in St. Mike's or any other parochial school. LPS does provide services to some students at parochial schools, but only if needs are minimal. Anyone? I can't answer this question yet, but I will be able to in the future. My daughter is speech and language impaired. She will receive services in the afternoons during her full day kdg, so she won't even miss her instructional time! We will see about my older one the following year. We will sit down with the principal regarding her and see what is our best option for her. Our primary reason for putting them at St. Mike's is that we want them to be allowed and feel proud to have God in their lives. The LI is secondary to us. However, it was the swing vote. I think you will very pleased with the services from LPS TSLI program. I'm so glad that the public and parochial systems can collaborate successfully to provide those services to the students.



professionalmom	Mar 11 2006, 03:50 PM Post #38
Principal Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #293 Joined: January 26, 2006	From St. Mike's website: ORDER OF ACCEPTANCE OF STUDENTS Siblings of students currently enrolled at St. Michael School Children of In Parish families Children of Out of Parish Catholic families Children of Out of Parish non-Catholic families Please show me where it says children with special needs will need to be evaluated/considered. Someone has a preconceived notion of St. Mike's and instead of getting educated on the subject choses to perpetuate an incorrect notion.



sunshine	Mar 11 2006, 04:17 PM Post #39
Principal Posts: 134 Group: Members Member #302 Joined: February 12, 2006	From St. Mike's website: ORDER OF ACCEPTANCE OF STUDENTS Siblings of students currently enrolled at St. Michael School Children of In Parish families Children of Out of Parish Catholic families Children of Out of Parish non-Catholic families Please show me where it says children with special needs will need to be evaluated/considered. Someone has a preconceived notion of St. Mike's and instead of getting educated on the subject choses to perpetuate an incorrect notion. [/QUOTE] That's a good question. Another good question would be...How many students with severe impairments, and I accentuate the "severe", attend St. Mike's or any other parochial school? That is my point...This is not meant in any way to minimize the quality education that parochial schools can provide. I, myself, am a product of 12 years of it. It is meant, however, to point out that the private schools are not equipped to handle the needs of ALL students. That is the mandate of public education.



NFarquharson	Mar 11 2006, 04:19 PM Post #40
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	From what I hear, LPS is also shuffling around some of those children with special needs...the very students who are least likely to easily adjust. That's really sad.



professionalmom	Mar 11 2006, 04:26 PM Post #41
Principal Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #293 Joined: January 26, 2006	From St. Mike's website: ORDER OF ACCEPTANCE OF STUDENTS Siblings of students currently enrolled at St. Michael School Children of In Parish families Children of Out of Parish Catholic families Children of Out of Parish non-Catholic families Please show me where it says children with special needs will need to be evaluated/considered. Someone has a preconceived notion of St. Mike's and instead of getting educated on the subject choses to perpetuate an incorrect notion. [/QUOTE] That's a good question. Another good question would be...How many students with severe impairments, and I accentuate the "severe", attend St. Mike's or any other parochial school? That is my point...This is not meant in any way to minimize the quality education that parochial schools can provide. I, myself, am a product of 12 years of it. It is meant, however, to point out that the private schools are not equipped to handle the needs of ALL students. That is the mandate of public education. [/QUOTE] I do believe families with children that have severe impairments probably have an additional financial burden placed upon them. Catholic schools may not be an option for them because of that reason. My son sought speech therapy at St. Mike's which was provided through LPS which LPS rec'd funds for. St. Mike's is willing to work with families....that's more than I can say about LPS.



JoJo	Mar 11 2006, 04:46 PM Post #42
Principal Posts: 445 Group: Members Member #331 Joined: March 2, 2006	NFarquharson Mar 11 2006, 04:19 PM From what I hear, LPS is also shuffling around some of those children with special needs...the very students who are least likely to easily adjust. That's really sad. As a parent of a special needs child, she has Downs Syndrome, is not able to attend Catholic schools. The funding is not there. In my heart I feel she should be able to, but know its not possible.



CKlockner	Mar 12 2006, 12:33 PM Post #43
Principal Posts: 628 Group: Members Member #44 Joined: October 28, 2005	A good friend of mine with 3 children in LPS is home schooling all of them BECAUSE of Legacy. Another who had plans to move back to Livonia after being away for 2 years is NOT moving back with her 2 children BECAUSE of Legacy. I am still on the fence. I may home school my youngest.



plmask	Mar 12 2006, 12:34 PM Post #44
Principal Posts: 265 Group: Members Member #307 Joined: February 16, 2006	They are talking about St. Mikes Sunshine. Anyone can attend You mean anyone with the money! That's not everyone. Also St. Mikes can "ask" children not to attend the following year if they have "issues" with that student. A public school takes everyone!



Momforone	Mar 12 2006, 01:08 PM Post #45
Principal Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #131 Joined: November 16, 2005	plmask Mar 12 2006, 12:34 PM They are talking about St. Mikes Sunshine. Anyone can attend You mean anyone with the money! That's not everyone. Also St. Mikes can "ask" children not to attend the following year if they have "issues" with that student. A public school takes everyone! There is financial assistance available for student attending catholic schools. You just need to ask the enrollment office to obtain this information. St. Gen's told me they never had anyone turned down!


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