Detroit News Update 3/10/06

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Detroit News Update 3/10/06
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sickandtired48154	Mar 10 2006, 06:47 PM Post #46
Principal Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #310 Joined: February 17, 2006	Rose Mar 10 2006, 06:37 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 05:14 PM forlivoniakids Mar 10 2006, 05:06 PM What is going to be detrimental to my child is changing schools 4 more times before graduation and we just moved this year. Don't plead with the parents...plead with the BOE that put us in this mess in the first place. Have you checked into Northville or South Lyon? They are redistricting every couple years. Would you rather be in that school district instead? I don't want my child going to a different school every year. Do you think their BOE's are also bad too? They are trying to work with what they have. We need to come together as a community now. Its getting embarrassing to say your from LIvonia with all the bad press we are getting. Is this the school board you voted in or did you not vote? Yes I did vote, but it doesn't mean I am happy with what they are doing. Have you looked at Bush's approval rating lately? Not too good and he won the election. Just because someone is voted in, does not mean they will do the best job once they are in office. As for Northville and South Lyon, I could have moved there, but decided to live in Livonia instead, because of the schools. I am sorry, but if I don't agree with something, I just don't sit back and take it. It's called DEMOCRACY! Interesting. It is democracy and if any council or BOE waited to get approval from their constituents for everything they do, nothing would get done. Bottom line..... this community has had a history of not involving itself with its BOE. How many, before the LI, attended BOE meetings, read minutes, etc. We rested on our laurels a little too long here. We all assumed the school system was going to keep chugging along at its usual pace. Times are changing ---- unions and jobs are in jeopordy. I'm not saying you have to choke it down, but take some responsibility for not being informed all the way along. We let this happen and now we are scrambling trying to change it and the whole thing is making this city look like a bunch of lunatics - BOE and citizens alike. Read the editorial in the observer by the community editor. He hit the nail right on the head. We need to find a way to bring everyone together. Great thing about democracy is when something like this happens, we have the opportunity to fix it at the next election. I myself applaud the BOE for stepping up to the plate to do something that should have been done years ago, although they should use some of that rainy day fund to work on their public relations.



sickandtired48154	Mar 10 2006, 06:54 PM Post #47
Principal Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #310 Joined: February 17, 2006	cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:43 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:31 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. What do you think of people that are for the LI? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest with you I have been so preoccupied with stopping the LI that I haven't had time to really think about the supporters. Sometimes when I hear something smart I think, "Wow, that was a good point." When I hear something stupid, I think "What are they thinking?" Today I am kinda lethargic so I haven't paid much attention to the supporters at all. In fact, no offense, unless it had my name on the post, I skipped over most of them. Sorry. Hope that helps. I am just a mom, I could be your neighbor. I have kids that I love and care for more than anything else in this world and I wish that my community wasn't in this mess. We cannot blame this all on the BOE. We let this happen. Although I don't agree with the way the BOE is dealing with the public, I agree with the LI. It is long overdue. I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging.



Rose	Mar 10 2006, 06:55 PM Post #48
Principal Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #171 Joined: November 30, 2005	TigerMom Mar 10 2006, 05:46 PM 48154....Did vote.....got fooled! I thought I was an educated voter. I will not be fooled again. I realize it is probably my fault that I was not clairvoyant enough to ask the specific question about a plan that wasn't even being considered. Based on past BOE practices when schools were closed and the community was given time and input I also NEVER, NEVER, NEVER would have thought the people I voted for would have behaved in this manner....no stakeholder input, refusal to answer specific questions, denial of the opposing research. I am their constituent...they are not my boss and they are most definitely FIRED. I will continue to pray that there is a way to stop this plan before too much harm is caused, but either way the LI pans out, this current Board must go as they have failed to heed the majority of their constituents. Thank you Tigermom!



angrymom	Mar 10 2006, 07:40 PM Post #49
Principal Posts: 53 Group: Members Member #129 Joined: November 15, 2005	sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:54 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:43 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:31 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. What do you think of people that are for the LI? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest with you I have been so preoccupied with stopping the LI that I haven't had time to really think about the supporters. Sometimes when I hear something smart I think, "Wow, that was a good point." When I hear something stupid, I think "What are they thinking?" Today I am kinda lethargic so I haven't paid much attention to the supporters at all. In fact, no offense, unless it had my name on the post, I skipped over most of them. Sorry. Hope that helps. I am just a mom, I could be your neighbor. I have kids that I love and care for more than anything else in this world and I wish that my community wasn't in this mess. We cannot blame this all on the BOE. We let this happen. Although I don't agree with the way the BOE is dealing with the public, I agree with the LI. It is long overdue. I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. It really won't be the same kids. With 500 kids in a grade, most likely each kid will not know anyone in their class. Look at the meap scores. The grades start slipping once middle school starts. This is when kids move on to a bigger school. Now this will be happening sooner. Kids will be much younger and academics might suffer even more! These kids will get lost in the shuffle of the mega school.



fyi	Mar 10 2006, 07:47 PM Post #50
Principal Posts: 2,738 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: December 9, 2005	cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. My hope is that you researched information and made your conclusions based on what's right for your family. Just because 5 elected officials voted on a plan--- that they helped create---doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I'm sorry if you were offended by my post. I am offended when people say I should just trust our elected officials.



NFarquharson	Mar 10 2006, 07:49 PM Post #51
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:47 PM Rose Mar 10 2006, 06:37 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 05:14 PM forlivoniakids Mar 10 2006, 05:06 PM What is going to be detrimental to my child is changing schools 4 more times before graduation and we just moved this year. Don't plead with the parents...plead with the BOE that put us in this mess in the first place. Have you checked into Northville or South Lyon? They are redistricting every couple years. Would you rather be in that school district instead? I don't want my child going to a different school every year. Do you think their BOE's are also bad too? They are trying to work with what they have. We need to come together as a community now. Its getting embarrassing to say your from LIvonia with all the bad press we are getting. Is this the school board you voted in or did you not vote? Yes I did vote, but it doesn't mean I am happy with what they are doing. Have you looked at Bush's approval rating lately? Not too good and he won the election. Just because someone is voted in, does not mean they will do the best job once they are in office. As for Northville and South Lyon, I could have moved there, but decided to live in Livonia instead, because of the schools. I am sorry, but if I don't agree with something, I just don't sit back and take it. It's called DEMOCRACY! Interesting. It is democracy and if any council or BOE waited to get approval from their constituents for everything they do, nothing would get done. Bottom line..... this community has had a history of not involving itself with its BOE. How many, before the LI, attended BOE meetings, read minutes, etc. We rested on our laurels a little too long here. We all assumed the school system was going to keep chugging along at its usual pace. Times are changing ---- unions and jobs are in jeopordy. I'm not saying you have to choke it down, but take some responsibility for not being informed all the way along. We let this happen and now we are scrambling trying to change it and the whole thing is making this city look like a bunch of lunatics - BOE and citizens alike. Read the editorial in the observer by the community editor. He hit the nail right on the head. We need to find a way to bring everyone together. Great thing about democracy is when something like this happens, we have the opportunity to fix it at the next election. I myself applaud the BOE for stepping up to the plate to do something that should have been done years ago, although they should use some of that rainy day fund to work on their public relations. Okay. I confess. I admit that I was not involved in the BOE before this mess. Please forgive me for not going to BOE meetings during the years that I was blissfully unaware of the unethical behavior, inside deals and violations of the OMA. I am so sorry that I assumed that since my children were doing well in school, LPS and the BOE would make certain that the wonderful system of neighborhood schools would continue on, perhaps occasionally closing a school or two when needed if enrollment declines. Please try to forgive me for my ignorant foolishness! Can I please do some Hail Marys, Our Fathers or something and then move on?



Administrator	Mar 10 2006, 07:58 PM Post #52
Administrator Posts: 3,069 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 5, 2005	It is great that everyone can agree on voting now! We will see a school board vote with unprecidented numbers both Tuesday May 2, 2006 and the likely recall vote will be Tuesday August 8, 2006. Mark your calenders!



Hull_CHS	Mar 10 2006, 08:00 PM Post #53
Principal Posts: 36 Group: Members Member #321 Joined: February 27, 2006	Quote: I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. I wonder what opportunities you think she missed out on by not being bussed to a huge upper el school? I have sons in high school and although their good friends from elementary and Middle school reside in the same building, and may share the same lunch period that is the end of it. My youngest son ( a sophomore) has not had one of his really good friends in any class, not even in middle school. The point that they will stay with their same peer group all the way through high school is just silly, most of them would have been together anyway. Both of my older children had the opportunity in elementary school for instrumental music, or foreign language class. These classes were a joke, you certainly can't learn to play an instrument, or speak a foreign language with one class a week. They both learned to play instruments in middle school and are learning foreign languages in high school. When you change schools whether or not you are with your "peer" group it is a transition and can be extremely hard on some children.



fyi	Mar 10 2006, 08:09 PM Post #54
Principal Posts: 2,738 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: December 9, 2005	Quote: I myself applaud the BOE for stepping up to the plate to do something that should have been done years ago, although they should use some of that rainy day fund to work on their public relations. Some of these people have served on this Board for many years. You act as though things have been neglected for years and these people came in and saved the day! Not true. Why did they wait so long? It seems timing is everything. They waited until their "rainy day" fund depleted to a point that the only alternative was this plan. Without the "rainy day" fund and the "sinking" fund they could not implement the "LI." They do not want to wait another year because they would use money that they need to put this plan into motion. Why do you think there is such a big rush to implement this plan by next school year? Think about it.... don't blame parents for not being aware of the situation...where was this BOE the last five years?(and I'm not talking about cutting para-pros, secretaries, and programs for the kids) Why didn't they do something about the situation gradually instead of dropping this huge bomb on the community?



professionalmom	Mar 10 2006, 08:13 PM Post #55
Principal Posts: 244 Group: Members Member #293 Joined: January 26, 2006	Jimid Mar 10 2006, 07:58 PM It is great that everyone can agree on voting now! We will see a school board vote with unprecidented numbers both Tuesday May 2, 2006 and the likely recall vote will be Tuesday August 8, 2006. Mark your calenders! Would love to see signs throughout the city reminding people to vote on those days. Something like "VOTE TODAY". (Some people tried doing just that in Old Rosedale as a result of the Rosedale issue and city workers came out and ripped the signs down.) Not sure what was so wrong with reminding people to vote?!?!



Administrator	Mar 10 2006, 08:16 PM Post #56
Administrator Posts: 3,069 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: October 5, 2005	Jimid Mar 10 2006, 07:58 PM It is great that everyone can agree on voting now! We will see a school board vote with unprecidented numbers both Tuesday May 2, 2006 and the likely recall vote will be Tuesday August 8, 2006. Mark your calenders! P.S. DO NOT PLAN A SUMMER VACATION FOR THE WEEK OF AUGUST 8, 2006



Rose	Mar 10 2006, 08:46 PM Post #57
Principal Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #171 Joined: November 30, 2005	sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:54 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:43 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:31 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. What do you think of people that are for the LI? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest with you I have been so preoccupied with stopping the LI that I haven't had time to really think about the supporters. Sometimes when I hear something smart I think, "Wow, that was a good point." When I hear something stupid, I think "What are they thinking?" Today I am kinda lethargic so I haven't paid much attention to the supporters at all. In fact, no offense, unless it had my name on the post, I skipped over most of them. Sorry. Hope that helps. I am just a mom, I could be your neighbor. I have kids that I love and care for more than anything else in this world and I wish that my community wasn't in this mess. We cannot blame this all on the BOE. We let this happen. Although I don't agree with the way the BOE is dealing with the public, I agree with the LI. It is long overdue. I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. Have you read the transition newsletters? They even admit transitions can be psychologically damaging. Every newsletter that has been sent home has some psychologial garbage in it. Why tell me this if transitions are no big thing?



cmic	Mar 10 2006, 08:50 PM Post #58
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	Rose Mar 10 2006, 08:46 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:54 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:43 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:31 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. What do you think of people that are for the LI? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest with you I have been so preoccupied with stopping the LI that I haven't had time to really think about the supporters. Sometimes when I hear something smart I think, "Wow, that was a good point." When I hear something stupid, I think "What are they thinking?" Today I am kinda lethargic so I haven't paid much attention to the supporters at all. In fact, no offense, unless it had my name on the post, I skipped over most of them. Sorry. Hope that helps. I am just a mom, I could be your neighbor. I have kids that I love and care for more than anything else in this world and I wish that my community wasn't in this mess. We cannot blame this all on the BOE. We let this happen. Although I don't agree with the way the BOE is dealing with the public, I agree with the LI. It is long overdue. I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. Have you read the transition newsletters? They even admit transitions can be psychologically damaging. Every newsletter that has been sent home has some psychologial garbage in it. Why tell me this if transitions are no big thing? Nope, not my neighbor... Wrong zip code!



Rose	Mar 10 2006, 08:52 PM Post #59
Principal Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #171 Joined: November 30, 2005	cmic Mar 10 2006, 08:50 PM Rose Mar 10 2006, 08:46 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:54 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:43 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:31 PM cmic Mar 10 2006, 06:25 PM sickandtired48154 Mar 10 2006, 06:19 PM fyi Mar 10 2006, 05:38 PM The people that live in the areas that LPS serves should be entitled to their opinion, as it is their children that will be affected by the changes. So.....whether you voted them in or not, you have a right to voice your opinion. Please don't insult the parents that just want what they feel is best for their children. Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't need other people (older elected officials without elementary aged students in LPS) telling them what's best for them and their families. My 2 cents!!! Yes, I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me included. Am I to think because I agree with the LI, that you think I don't have a mind of my own and I am letting the BOE tell me what is best for my family? I don't think that. What do you think of people that are for the LI? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! To be honest with you I have been so preoccupied with stopping the LI that I haven't had time to really think about the supporters. Sometimes when I hear something smart I think, "Wow, that was a good point." When I hear something stupid, I think "What are they thinking?" Today I am kinda lethargic so I haven't paid much attention to the supporters at all. In fact, no offense, unless it had my name on the post, I skipped over most of them. Sorry. Hope that helps. I am just a mom, I could be your neighbor. I have kids that I love and care for more than anything else in this world and I wish that my community wasn't in this mess. We cannot blame this all on the BOE. We let this happen. Although I don't agree with the way the BOE is dealing with the public, I agree with the LI. It is long overdue. I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. Have you read the transition newsletters? They even admit transitions can be psychologically damaging. Every newsletter that has been sent home has some psychologial garbage in it. Why tell me this if transitions are no big thing? Nope, not my neighbor... Wrong zip code! Mine either! :lol:



jodygirlh	Mar 10 2006, 09:20 PM Post #60
Principal Posts: 371 Group: Members Member #220 Joined: December 13, 2005	Quote: I wish my daughter would have had the opportunity to go to a 5/6 school. I believe it would have been a great opportunity for her. I have a difficult time defining the extra move as a transition when they are going with their peer group. It is the same school district, same rules, same programs, same kids, different building. Don't think it is psychologically damaging. 48154, Although, I am loath to be sarcastic... I can't wait for my son to got to a 5/6 school. That way he can change schools for the 3rd time, be sure to never really get to know more than a few staff members, only go to the Library once every 2 or 3 weeks, play at lunch recess with 500 other minimally supervised kids, go from 5th thru 6th grade with his peer group of 960 strangers, at least minimally suffer academic loss, self esteem loss, and reduced feeling of security in his school environment, etc... Then he can look forward to an hour bus ride home! Great, can't wait to send him to this fabulously innovative school program! Sorry, couldn't help it! Seriously though, the 5/6 will not have the same programs (less recess and phy ed, less library, etc), or same rules (no way you can have 1000 5/6 kids in a school with the same rules), or same kids(big difference in number of kids-smaller schools=more security). It will be psychologically damaging for some and academically for many. I won't put my kids through that-I will try to move (will be sure to sell to a retired or childless couple)


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