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Board of Education Meeting; March 6, 2006 Your thoughts
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NFarquharson	Mar 7 2006, 08:49 PM Post #91
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	Are you suggesting they got a babysitter, came to the meeting and sat apart from each other so that it would look as though they were not married and we would think of them as seperate and independant, disconnected opinons? Not that every husband and wife will always have the same opinions, but going to lengths like that is pretty extreme. Are you sure?



Derek	Mar 7 2006, 09:05 PM Post #92
Principal Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: January 5, 2006	I thought the meeting last night showed a lot of very sincere emotions... Mostly from the LI opposers. Steve did an excellant job of making a legitimate, sound, appeal to work together. Unfortunately at this point in the game we'll get nothing with the plan wrapped up in a lawsuit. I also thought some of the board members made a sincere show of their honest concern for the district. I'm sure in their hearts they are trying to do what they feel is best. That said, I can not overlook the lack of responsiveness to citizen outrage and opposition to the plan. As someone else pointed out, the Demographics committee reviewed three plans that saved virtually the SAME amount of money, closed about the same number of schools, and all required extra busing. Why then was there left no room for discussion? The worst part of the meeting was the staged supporters... It seemed like they were asked to be there and appearred weak in their reasoning. I wonder how many of them were actually on the Demographics committee? That said, it still remains clear to me that this board DOES care about the students and the district as a whole... (sure flame away) But they did not listen to the community and for that reason I will still work to recall them! -Derek



loyaltolivonia	Mar 7 2006, 09:25 PM Post #93
Principal Posts: 1,626 Group: Members Member #214 Joined: December 10, 2005	NFarquharson Mar 7 2006, 08:49 PM Are you suggesting they got a babysitter, came to the meeting and sat apart from each other so that it would look as though they were not married and we would think of them as seperate and independant, disconnected opinons? Not that every husband and wife will always have the same opinions, but going to lengths like that is pretty extreme. Are you sure? They didn't even need a babysitter......Their kid's are grown. One is 2000 miles away. Because she transitioned so well If they did sit apart to make it look like there are more supporters than there are, I'd say that is pretty pathetic



NFarquharson	Mar 7 2006, 09:27 PM Post #94
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	I think that it is interesting that the supporters are either teachers, who if they are against the Li would have a reason NOT to speak out, or some (certainly not all) PTA officers. Are there any supporters that do not fall into one of these categories? What do folks think? I know it's what we call at work a "wicked question," but I really want to know what people's impressions are about this.



mouse2	Mar 7 2006, 09:30 PM Post #95
Principal Posts: 85 Group: Members Member #318 Joined: February 25, 2006	Michelebel Mar 7 2006, 02:41 PM mouse2..........please help me understand where you are coming from. You don't want your child to be part of this "hell", yet you are willing to homeschool them next year, and "pull them out of school" when the new principal comes to visit/read, and request that they be excluded from a class activity?!? I guess I don't understand your reasonings. Aren't you contributing to the disruption in your child's life by excluding him from what everyone else is doing? I understand many parents are upset about the whole penpal thing, but since when is writing a letter to another child a bad thing? And why would you want to pull your kid out of school just because they are having a guest speaker? And homeschooling also seems like a very drastic measure. Usually people homeschool their kids because they have made that choice as a family, not as a method to spite the school board. Please understand that I am not criticizing--we are all trying to what we think is best for our child under the circumstances. I guess I just have a problem when people say they are going to do such-and-such to avoid any conformance at all to the LI, when it appears that the such-and-such you are proposing for your child would be just as disruptive. As far as people saying what's good and not good for the children--aren't we all guilty of saying what we think is good or bad for ALL kids?? Based on our own opinion?? I will do what I think is best for my child I WILL NOT ALLOW THERE GAMES. I have homeschool a child before also so I do know what it does take to do this. That CHILD was homeschool for two years till we moved to Livonia that child my daughter is now 30 years old with two kids of her own she also has more of the alphabet next to her name then our so called Superintendent does. My child does not feel excluded from there games. He understands what is going on around him he not blind and he does not like it. I raise my kids to be leaders not followers . I also raise my kids to fight for what you believe in and the fact is I did not exclude my child from writeing a letter his teacher did that had him read a book. I said he could write to anyone in his school. I DO NOT WANT MY Child AROUND people I do not trust and after reading the the "new co principals letter that was mailed to my home these are people I as a parent do not want my child around. I am going to do what we as a FAMILY thinks is best for our child and you can think it's out of spite but if you don't trust the people you sure as hell don't send your kid in to there mess. Why should I as a parent comform to the LI when I know it's wrong for my child ? I as his parent will do whats I know is the right thing for my child. I would never tell you what is right for your child that is your child. If you think it's the LI great .......... but not for my child !



grant_two	Mar 7 2006, 10:00 PM Post #96
2nd Grade Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #339 Joined: March 7, 2006	Good evening neighbors, I have been reading posts off and on all day and am not sure I feel welcome enough to bother posting, but here goes. Yes, I support the LI! I am a parent with one child attending a closing school. I am not a teacher, PTA officer, or in any other way affiliated with the district or BOE. I am just a parent, nothing special. A parent who attended the meeting last night, with several other parents, who are just parents. We all support the LI and had buttons that seem to cause some concern among the opposing ranks. Strike us down, call us names and act rude if you must, but it doesn't change the conflict that is occuring. I went to the meeting to support the BOE and wore my little button proudly. No, I had nothing to say at the meeting, it isn't my thing to speak in public. It doesn't mean I am less a person, just not as vocal. While on the topic of vocal, let me congratulate several of those who spoke on behalf of the opposing team. Many of you came, said your piece and sat down. Some had pre-written statements, others spoke from the heart. I appreciate your concern and feelings. I do not however appreciate the others who were rude, disruptive and just down right immature! Were you not taught manners in school? Do you behave this way at work during meetings? Talking, whispering, getting up and leaving and then returning with no concern for your inconsiderate behavior. I came with an open mind and left with a horrid taste, and it had NOTHING to do with the LI. Some of those same people approached me today with a petition. I respectfully declined to sign. As I was putting my child in my car, I was approached yet again, not two minutes later, by the same person! Once again I RESPECTFULLY declined. I have only one thing to add, if you want to get respect, you must first earn it. Thank you, A Parent



cmic	Mar 7 2006, 10:04 PM Post #97
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:00 PM Good evening neighbors, I have been reading posts off and on all day and am not sure I feel welcome enough to bother posting, but here goes. Yes, I support the LI! I am a parent with one child attending a closing school. I am not a teacher, PTA officer, or in any other way affiliated with the district or BOE. I am just a parent, nothing special. A parent who attended the meeting last night, with several other parents, who are just parents. We all support the LI and had buttons that seem to cause some concern among the opposing ranks. Strike us down, call us names and act rude if you must, but it doesn't change the conflict that is occuring. I went to the meeting to support the BOE and wore my little button proudly. No, I had nothing to say at the meeting, it isn't my thing to speak in public. It doesn't mean I am less a person, just not as vocal. While on the topic of vocal, let me congratulate several of those who spoke on behalf of the opposing team. Many of you came, said your piece and sat down. Some had pre-written statements, others spoke from the heart. I appreciate your concern and feelings. I do not however appreciate the others who were rude, disruptive and just down right immature! Were you not taught manners in school? Do you behave this way at work during meetings? Talking, whispering, getting up and leaving and then returning with no concern for your inconsiderate behavior. I came with an open mind and left with a horrid taste, and it had NOTHING to do with the LI. Some of those same people approached me today with a petition. I respectfully declined to sign. As I was putting my child in my car, I was approached yet again, not two minutes later, by the same person! Once again I RESPECTFULLY declined. I have only one thing to add, if you want to get respect, you must first earn it. Thank you, A Parent What are you talking about? I didn't think that anyone was rude. Getting up to leave to use the bathroom or get a drink is ok. The meeting was 4 hours long. I am sure that you were sensitive to everything as we all are, but be careful that you don't throw rocks at a glass house. I sat behind a supporter that kept sighing loudly and shaking his head and making snide comments. So do NOT insinuate that only supporters know how to behave because it is that kind of condescending remark that causes people to be so upset. I feel you came in here to stir the pot and I personally don't appreciate it.



NFarquharson	Mar 7 2006, 10:05 PM Post #98
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	Tell us what you like about the LI if you would.



Derek	Mar 7 2006, 10:11 PM Post #99
Principal Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: January 5, 2006	grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:00 PM <snip> While on the topic of vocal, let me congratulate several of those who spoke on behalf of the opposing team. Many of you came, said your piece and sat down. Some had pre-written statements, others spoke from the heart. I appreciate your concern and feelings. I do not however appreciate the others who were rude, disruptive and just down right immature! Were you not taught manners in school? Do you behave this way at work during meetings? Talking, whispering, getting up and leaving and then returning with no concern for your inconsiderate behavior. <snip> WOW, Grant two... you must have been at a different meeting than I was... I was quite surprised... at how calm and respectful ALL participants were on both sides and the Board... I thought it was a great exercise in Democracy... well scratch that... a start at democracy without the democratic vote for a solution! You won't be run off of here, nor ridiculed... We are concerned parents too. Only we feel that our concerns were not addressed... That the meetings we were allowed to go to to provide input and ask questions were just a sham. A token obligatory excuse for democracy. There was no room to reason, no opportunity for compromise, no concern for any new ideas or thoughts... THE DEAL WAS DONE! That, grant two, is NOT how a democracy works and when it doesn't work sometimes you have to appeal and that is what is happening... (do you know anyone that was on the Demographics committee?) -Derek



grant_two	Mar 7 2006, 10:15 PM Post #100
2nd Grade Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #339 Joined: March 7, 2006	cmic Mar 7 2006, 10:04 PM grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:00 PM Good evening neighbors, I have been reading posts off and on all day and am not sure I feel welcome enough to bother posting, but here goes. Yes, I support the LI! I am a parent with one child attending a closing school. I am not a teacher, PTA officer, or in any other way affiliated with the district or BOE. I am just a parent, nothing special. A parent who attended the meeting last night, with several other parents, who are just parents. We all support the LI and had buttons that seem to cause some concern among the opposing ranks. Strike us down, call us names and act rude if you must, but it doesn't change the conflict that is occuring. I went to the meeting to support the BOE and wore my little button proudly. No, I had nothing to say at the meeting, it isn't my thing to speak in public. It doesn't mean I am less a person, just not as vocal. While on the topic of vocal, let me congratulate several of those who spoke on behalf of the opposing team. Many of you came, said your piece and sat down. Some had pre-written statements, others spoke from the heart. I appreciate your concern and feelings. I do not however appreciate the others who were rude, disruptive and just down right immature! Were you not taught manners in school? Do you behave this way at work during meetings? Talking, whispering, getting up and leaving and then returning with no concern for your inconsiderate behavior. I came with an open mind and left with a horrid taste, and it had NOTHING to do with the LI. Some of those same people approached me today with a petition. I respectfully declined to sign. As I was putting my child in my car, I was approached yet again, not two minutes later, by the same person! Once again I RESPECTFULLY declined. I have only one thing to add, if you want to get respect, you must first earn it. Thank you, A Parent What are you talking about? I didn't think that anyone was rude. Getting up to leave to use the bathroom or get a drink is ok. The meeting was 4 hours long. I am sure that you were sensitive to everything as we all are, but be careful that you don't throw rocks at a glass house. I sat behind a supporter that kept sighing loudly and shaking his head and making snide comments. So do NOT insinuate that only supporters know how to behave because it is that kind of condescending remark that causes people to be so upset. I feel you came in here to stir the pot and I personally don't appreciate it. Sorry, maybe there were one or two supporters who I was unaware of that were also being rude. However, at the end of the first "Audience Communication" time, several, people wearing "Recall" buttons got up, walked out and stood in the lobby area talking. Not going to the rest room or getting drink. In masse, exit, talking. A few of them came and went several times, with their notes and petitions. I sat behind a few of them, while the others were behind me and around the room. They may not represent the majority of those opposing the LI, but based on observation, one of them is a vocal leader and is very rude. I do not mean to offend others that have polite manners.



grant_two	Mar 7 2006, 10:17 PM Post #101
2nd Grade Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #339 Joined: March 7, 2006	Derek Mar 7 2006, 10:11 PM (do you know anyone that was on the Demographics committee?) -Derek Nope



ktmom	Mar 7 2006, 10:23 PM Post #102
Principal Posts: 520 Group: Members Member #72 Joined: November 2, 2005	NFarquharson Mar 7 2006, 09:27 PM I think that it is interesting that the supporters are either teachers, who if they are against the Li would have a reason NOT to speak out, or some (certainly not all) PTA officers. Are there any supporters that do not fall into one of these categories? What do folks think? I know it's what we call at work a "wicked question," but I really want to know what people's impressions are about this. Your absolutely correct and a lot of the letters to the editor in the observor are written by people who fall into those same categories.



Derek	Mar 7 2006, 10:24 PM Post #103
Principal Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: January 5, 2006	grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:15 PM <snip> ...I sat behind a few of them, while the others were behind me and around the room. They may not represent the majority of those opposing the LI, but based on observation, one of them is a vocal leader and is very rude. I do not mean to offend others that have polite manners. One thing I have learned about ANY public meeting is to sit up front... there are always seats there and no one will be in front of you talking when close to the front. It is simply human nature that we feel we are able to communicate if way in the back of an audience, even when it disrupts those around us. Of course you do have to watch your facial expressions when up front... A friend wrote me and told me I should have sold advertising for the time I was in the camera shots last night... I hope I wasn't dozing off? -Derek



Cindi	Mar 7 2006, 10:25 PM Post #104
Principal Posts: 460 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: October 24, 2005	grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:15 PM cmic Mar 7 2006, 10:04 PM grant_two Mar 7 2006, 10:00 PM Good evening neighbors, I have been reading posts off and on all day and am not sure I feel welcome enough to bother posting, but here goes. Yes, I support the LI!� I am a parent with one child attending a closing school.� I am not a teacher, PTA officer, or in any other way affiliated with the district or BOE.� I am just a parent, nothing special.� A parent who attended the meeting last night, with several other parents, who are just parents.� We all support the LI and had buttons that seem to cause some concern among the opposing ranks.� Strike us down, call us names and act rude if you must, but it doesn't change the conflict that is occuring.� I went to the meeting to support the BOE and wore my little button proudly.� No, I had nothing to say at the meeting, it isn't my thing to speak in public.� It doesn't mean I am less a person, just not as vocal.� While on the topic of vocal, let me congratulate several of those who spoke on behalf of the opposing team.� Many of you came, said your piece and sat down.� Some had pre-written statements, others spoke from the heart.� I appreciate your concern and feelings.� I do not however appreciate the others who were rude, disruptive and just down right immature!� Were you not taught manners in school?� Do you behave this way at work during meetings?� Talking, whispering, getting up and leaving and then returning with no concern for your inconsiderate behavior.� I came with an open mind and left with a horrid taste, and it had NOTHING to do with the LI.� Some of those same people approached me today with a petition.� I respectfully declined to sign.� As I was putting my child in my car, I was approached yet again, not two minutes later, by the same person!� Once again I RESPECTFULLY declined. I have only one thing to add, if you want to get respect, you must first earn it. Thank you, A Parent What are you talking about? I didn't think that anyone was rude. Getting up to leave to use the bathroom or get a drink is ok. The meeting was 4 hours long. I am sure that you were sensitive to everything as we all are, but be careful that you don't throw rocks at a glass house. I sat behind a supporter that kept sighing loudly and shaking his head and making snide comments. So do NOT insinuate that only supporters know how to behave because it is that kind of condescending remark that causes people to be so upset. I feel you came in here to stir the pot and I personally don't appreciate it. Sorry, maybe there were one or two supporters who I was unaware of that were also being rude. However, at the end of the first "Audience Communication" time, several, people wearing "Recall" buttons got up, walked out and stood in the lobby area talking. Not going to the rest room or getting drink. In masse, exit, talking. A few of them came and went several times, with their notes and petitions. I sat behind a few of them, while the others were behind me and around the room. They may not represent the majority of those opposing the LI, but based on observation, one of them is a vocal leader and is very rude. I do not mean to offend others that have polite manners. I found this meeting to be far more considerate than ones in the past. As for the people in the hallway, I believe the media was also staked out there and parents may have been talking to them. I actually closed the door at one point because voices do travel. I don't think it was meant to disrespect anyone inside of the meeting. Just my 2 cents.



ktmom	Mar 7 2006, 10:28 PM Post #105
Principal Posts: 520 Group: Members Member #72 Joined: November 2, 2005	grant two - I agree that people on both sides of the proposal need to be more respectful at BOE Meetings. However, there have been several meetings all caught on camera in which supporters are seen making faces and comments to those around them. So it definetely works both ways. Please share with us what it is you like about the LI?


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