cmic

Mar 7 2006, 09:24 AM

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 07:41 AM

gr1

Mar 7 2006, 07:24 AM

Why? Their jobs and their kids are affected.  They are more affected by this than any of us.

It would seem that their opinons are very relevant.

gr1. dont you think there would be some kind of retribution if the teachers stood up in front of the BOE and said I do not like this plan at all, you need listen to the citizens of livonia before you make your decision..Yea right! The teacher would probably end up with a pink slip eventually.. And also I know most of the middle school teachers are not in favor of this either... Kids are telling me teachers in middle scool hate this LI, they tell this to the kids but will not come forward to the BOE.I wonder why..... OH GR1 I sure hope you are helping out with our petitions and fundraising efforts and maybe donating some money while your at it....

Let's be fair. Gr1 is entitled to her opinion and she can certainly disagree without being ridiculed, can't she? She doesn't want to sign a petition because she doesn't agree with it. She doesn't want to donate money to support a cause she doesn't believe in. Why would this even be brought up?

I get as frustrated as the next person but the people we are slamming are some of our good friends and neighbors.

DTEDad

Mar 7 2006, 09:08 AM

NFarquharson

Mar 7 2006, 09:03 AM

LPS could easly borrow money to avoid receivership.  I hardley thiink we are on the brink of receivership.   Didn't I hear at a recent meeting that our bond rating had just improved?  Here is some data about debt in Michigan school districts.

Wow, are you saying that LPS should borrow money to pay their Bills?!

I would not be in favor of that. My wife and I leave within our means and I think it is responsible to expect governmental bodies to do the same.

Michelebel

Mar 7 2006, 09:36 AM

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 09:27 AM

Exactly, just like paid advertisement... Like they are going to go against their boss on TV,  Oh  to the supporters, I am still waiting for facts how this whole LI is going to be good for the kids,, I have read not one.. Why cant you come up with any legitimate reasons,, Oh because their is none.. Why dont you volunteer your time to the recall, and fundraisers,, and help us.

klezy99--could you please stop asking people who are obviously supportive of the LI to donate money or sign a petition??? Your sarcasm is really off the mark, and making the rest of us, who are trying to be respectful and courteous, look bad.

Post your comments, but stop critizing and bashing people.

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 09:39 AM

cmic

Mar 7 2006, 09:24 AM

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 07:41 AM

gr1

Mar 7 2006, 07:24 AM

Why? Their jobs and their kids are affected.  They are more affected by this than any of us.

It would seem that their opinons are very relevant.

gr1. dont you think there would be some kind of retribution if the teachers stood up in front of the BOE and said I do not like this plan at all, you need listen to the citizens of livonia before you make your decision..Yea right! The teacher would probably end up with a pink slip eventually.. And also I know most of the middle school teachers are not in favor of this either... Kids are telling me teachers in middle scool hate this LI, they tell this to the kids but will not come forward to the BOE.I wonder why..... OH GR1 I sure hope you are helping out with our petitions and fundraising efforts and maybe donating some money while your at it....

Let's be fair. Gr1 is entitled to her opinion and she can certainly disagree without being ridiculed, can't she? She doesn't want to sign a petition because she doesn't agree with it. She doesn't want to donate money to support a cause she doesn't believe in. Why would this even be brought up?

I get as frustrated as the next person but the people we are slamming are some of our good friends and neighbors.

Paleeze,,I am not slamming anyone are you kidding, I am just asking for help, she seems to be interested with some discussions,,, If you want to see slamming CMIC I can provide some really good slamming!!!!!!!

DTEDad

Mar 7 2006, 09:42 AM

I'm new to this ite and this topic, well at least the details of it. But there seems to be a lot of hate expressed on this site and many of the cuff statements that seem unsubstantiated.

Hope you all work out your grievances, this seems unproductive and a waste of my time.

Goodbye

NFarquharson

Mar 7 2006, 09:39 AM

"LPS could easly borrow money to avoid receivership. I hardley thiink we are on the brink of receivership. "

I agree that it is best not to borrow money and I also try to live within my means. That being said, most of us carry some amount of debt, such as a mortgage and maybe a car loan, because we often cannot afford to make those big purchases in cash.

DTEDad

Mar 7 2006, 09:47 AM

NFarquharson

Mar 7 2006, 09:39 AM

"LPS could easly borrow money to avoid receivership.  I hardley thiink we are on the brink of receivership.  "

I agree that it is best not to borrow money and I also try to live within my means.  That being said, most of us carry some amount of debt, such as a mortgage and maybe a car loan, because we often cannot afford to make those big purchases in cash.

From what I've been reading about the LPS, they ALREADY do carry debt. I would imagine it has been from infrastructure repair or new buildings etc. But to say they borrow money to pay the normal budget is kind of like paying your car loan with your credit cards if you ask me.

CKlockner

Mar 7 2006, 09:45 AM

It seems I hit a nerve in a post regarding last weeks BOE meeting which I deeply regret. Apparently if you are a PTA board member it IS alright to speak out before the BOE, as long as you do not identify yourself as one. This  is not what I understood to be the case. I thought  if you were on a PTA board you were  suppose to stay neutral. But I WAS WRONG.  Stevensons PTA president JGP spoke of it during last nights audience communication. She refered to me as an outspoken anti Legacy individual and of a post of mine from last week. Even quoting a portion to back up her indignation. Though from what she quoted it seemed  I was speaking only to her. I was refering to ALL PTA board members to stay neutral by keeping, their mouths firmly shut one way or another on Legacy. What I said was wrong, plain and simple.
I realize that I am one of the few who post here with out a secret screen name so I  will personally get blasted from time to time. This was one of those  times and I deserved it. After listening to JGP speak, I agree with her for the most part.  So I am apologizing to her, publicly, on this forum. For my words written in anger, and also for my misunderstanding of the PTAs stand.
This community is becoming more and more divided  as time passes on the Legacy issue. Last night it was very uncomfortable to be in the board room. Everyone looking around giving each other the evil eye. No one trusts any one from the other side. Things are going to continue to escalate if we do not individually do something to stop its momentum. I  believe my words  have helped fuel this fire. So I am backing off.  I am apologizing for the words that should have been held in check and not printed for all to view, to all of you who have taken offense. In doing this I hope to start an understanding between the pro and against Legacy camps. I  am in no way changing my position on Legacy or the recall but I hope to be more sensitive to the feelings of others who are NOT on the same side of this issue.  Legacy will move on one way or another, and it is up to all of us how WE as a community move forward. With anger, resentment and distrust, or with respect for each others feelings and views. We all want what is best for our children, schools and City. No matter what side Of the Legacy issue you are on. We will all have to work togeather so we better try not to burn to many bridges as we go. Build them instead. Im starting NOW.
I offer an olive branch.
I offer an apologe personally to JMP and hope she will forgive me.

NFarquharson

Mar 7 2006, 09:58 AM

You are right, we do have some debt, but very little compared to most districts. Here is some comparison data:

http://www.schoolmatters.com/App/SES/SPSSe...ID=771&Site=pes

Again, I am not suggesting that more debt is a good thing, just that we are not onthe brink of receivership. I would never want to pay my car loan with my credit card, either!

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 09:39 AM

cmic

Mar 7 2006, 09:24 AM

klezy99

Mar 7 2006, 07:41 AM

gr1

Mar 7 2006, 07:24 AM

Why? Their jobs and their kids are affected.  They are more affected by this than any of us.

It would seem that their opinons are very relevant.

gr1. dont you think there would be some kind of retribution if the teachers stood up in front of the BOE and said I do not like this plan at all, you need listen to the citizens of livonia before you make your decision..Yea right! The teacher would probably end up with a pink slip eventually.. And also I know most of the middle school teachers are not in favor of this either... Kids are telling me teachers in middle scool hate this LI, they tell this to the kids but will not come forward to the BOE.I wonder why..... OH GR1 I sure hope you are helping out with our petitions and fundraising efforts and maybe donating some money while your at it....

Let's be fair. Gr1 is entitled to her opinion and she can certainly disagree without being ridiculed, can't she? She doesn't want to sign a petition because she doesn't agree with it. She doesn't want to donate money to support a cause she doesn't believe in. Why would this even be brought up?

I get as frustrated as the next person but the people we are slamming are some of our good friends and neighbors.

Paleeze,,I am not slamming anyone are you kidding, I am just asking for help, she seems to be interested with some discussions,,, If you want to see slamming CMIC I can provide some really good slamming!!!!!!!