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Petition Signing at Busch's; A petitioner kicked out of parking lot
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 5 2006, 09:46 AM (2,394 Views)
anothermom	Mar 5 2006, 05:54 PM Post #16
Principal Posts: 108 Group: Members Member #250 Joined: December 29, 2005	NFarquharson Mar 5 2006, 02:46 PM No one has given any ultimatums to fellow citizens or business owners. Where did you get that idea? Here is where I got that idea (cklockner): 'This is not very good publicity for Busch's as many people from Taylor, Hoover, Holmes and also Stevenson shop there. As I am a regular at Busch's I would HATE to have to do my shopping elsewhere.' I have different opinions than most here, but I truly am not trying to be antagonistic but trying to spur some thinking in different directions and allow others in the community who read this forum to know that despite statements to the contrary, there are parents who do not oppose the LI. If I had a buck for everytime I have read the statement "Explain to me? or "What are they thinking" etc. I would be rich. So, I and a few others try to answer some of those questions- to share some insight into what "they/we" are thinking. It is rare that anyone can ever concede that I may have some valid points. I on the other hand, have shared what I personally don't like about the LI and even commented on the difficulty I will have with the proposed start times. So when I make reference to bashing, I'm talking about my frustration that my ideas and opinions are usually discounted before they are even given consideration. I pose questions in my posts that go unanswered which is disappointing because I would like to know what people think on those points. As for the parking lot, I see petitioning there as the same thing to petitioning in the cafe. But back to my original post on this topic- can't we just support the neutrality of businesses in the community? Thank you for reading.



cmic	Mar 5 2006, 06:03 PM Post #17
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	Jimid. Sorry I didn't get the name of the property manager. anothermom, Actually I have supported you and we have talked many times, so I know that you are trying to do what is best for your family just like we are.



lookingonthebrightside	Mar 5 2006, 06:20 PM Post #18
Principal Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #312 Joined: February 18, 2006	anothermom thank you for you refreshing posts i share many of your thoughts and insights i support the LI and i too shop at bushes (i am not a hoover, taylor, or stevenson parent) i would only stop shopping there if the quality, selection, or service became inferior i would not stop shopping there due to opinions regarding the LI



NFarquharson	Mar 5 2006, 06:23 PM Post #19
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	I am not trying to be disagreeable, but I did not read CKlockner's post as an ultimatum. A business owner's stance on the LI will not impact wherther I shop there or not and I can understand why many would prefer to remain neutral. I support the right of any private business owner to make decisions about who is allowed and what activities are allowed on their property and premises, so long as they are not illegally discriminating against a particular group. I only speak for myself, so others may feel differently. The reality is that there was also talk from the LI-supporters side that they should call managers or owners to tell them they would not be frequenting their businesses because they allowed petitions to be signed or fundraisers to be hosted at their establishments. Apparently one such person called Busch's, at least according to the information that cmic got when she called. Making such calls is their right, although I disagree with them. I honestly do not see the difference here...whether you are for or against the LI. This issue has nothing to do with the businesses in Livonia. As to bashing, well, it works both ways. Since there are more people against the LI on this site than in favor of the LI, I can understand that you may feel some people are bashing you. I beleive that you will find that if you keep your post constructive, the majority of us will respond in kind. That being said, we are not all the same and do not all think alike on evey issue, so perhaps it would help if you resist the urge to look at us as being the same.



f11	Mar 5 2006, 06:49 PM Post #20
LPS, transportation for all Posts: 948 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: October 20, 2005	Thank you nancy, you are the greatest poster in the world. your posts are so enlightening and invigorating. i never shopped at busch's anyways, they are too expensive. i support the anti-LI movement. i will not start shopping there even if they let petitioners work "on-site"



livoniamom	Mar 5 2006, 06:50 PM Post #21
Principal Posts: 322 Group: Members Member #126 Joined: November 15, 2005	"They are trying to remain neutral." Gee, I was dying to know how Busch's market felt about the LI. This is kind of silly. The manager should not feel bad about anything. She is running a business and her opinion on the LI really doesn't matter. If she doesn't want someone standing in front of the store approaching her customers then that person should go somewhere else. She shouldn't have to explain herself or take a side. I often try to avoid people standing in front of stores looking like they want something from me -- and most of time, I don't even know what they want!



CKlockner	Mar 5 2006, 07:31 PM Post #22
Principal Posts: 628 Group: Members Member #44 Joined: October 28, 2005	anothermom Mar 5 2006, 02:26 PM Cklockner: Interesting that you would consider not shopping at Busch's because of their desire to remain neutral, and operate as a business. Isn't that the best solution for businesses? Has this really become a "if you're not with us, you're against us" ultimatum? What next? Would our children not be able to play together because you and I have different opinions? anothermom, I will answer the first part of your post by saying I agree, Busch's SHOULD be neutral. Thats what I tryed to say, guess you took it the way you wanted it to go.I have a problem if petitioners are not allowed in the PARKING LOT. That goes for either side of this issue, and others as well. If no one is causing any problems, standing by their cars getting petitions or handing out pamphlets why is this a problem? But it seems that the LANDLORD and not Busch's is the one that has the problem. I love Busch's as my checkbook can attest to. The second part of your post is very unfair, as it seems you want to paint me as saying either your with us or against us. An ultimatum. I never said that or alluded to it. Thats coming from you. I know many people are struggling with this Legacy plan. I know people on both sides that I like, and we have discussed and argued our points. And in the end have agreed to disagree. Maybe thats what you need to do, agreed? When do we set up that play date for the kids?



anothervoice	Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM Post #23
Principal Posts: 57 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: February 4, 2006	I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose. The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did. In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone. I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place! I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here. That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it! another voice



cmic	Mar 5 2006, 08:40 PM Post #24
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose. The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did. In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone. I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place! I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here. That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it! another voice The LI Supporters put the manager in the middle by complaining. I would be upset with them too... We finally agree about something.



anothervoice	Mar 5 2006, 09:10 PM Post #25
Principal Posts: 57 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: February 4, 2006	cmic Mar 5 2006, 08:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose. The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did. In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone. I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place! I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here. That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it! another voice The LI Supporters put the manager in the middle by complaining. I would be upset with them too... We finally agree about something. I don't care WHO is collecting signatures in ANY parking lot. They don't belong there. If ANYONE approaches me in a parking lot in ANY location, I will report it to a manager. Like I said, everyone's rights END at my nose. another voice



NFarquharson	Mar 5 2006, 09:11 PM Post #26
Principal Posts: 4,311 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: November 9, 2005	Politely saying "no thank you" works quite well.



cmic	Mar 5 2006, 09:13 PM Post #27
Principal Posts: 1,530 Group: Members Member #217 Joined: December 11, 2005	This is where we will have to agree to disagree. This is a huge issue that will impact all of Livonia and thankfully in the United States we have the freedom to petition. Just like you have the freedom to walk away and refuse to sign. I'm sorry you are choosing to get so angry. We can disagree, can't we?



Grant1	Mar 5 2006, 09:40 PM Post #28
We have just begun to fight! Posts: 3,167 Group: Members Member #117 Joined: November 14, 2005	anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 09:10 PM cmic Mar 5 2006, 08:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose. The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did. In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone. I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place! I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here. That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it! another voice The LI Supporters put the manager in the middle by complaining. I would be upset with them too... We finally agree about something. I don't care WHO is collecting signatures in ANY parking lot. They don't belong there. If ANYONE approaches me in a parking lot in ANY location, I will report it to a manager. Like I said, everyone's rights END at my nose. another voice Wow...you sure sound bitter for more reasons than just disagreeing with those who are taking a stand and doing what they beleive is right, and is also thier right as a citizen of a free country. I feel sorry for whatever may have caused you to develop such animosity towards your fellow man/woman. It does not sound healthy to remain in such a state all of the time.



anothervoice	Mar 5 2006, 09:56 PM Post #29
Principal Posts: 57 Group: Members Member #297 Joined: February 4, 2006	Grant1 Mar 5 2006, 09:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 09:10 PM cmic Mar 5 2006, 08:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose.� The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did.� In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone.� I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place!� I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here.� That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it!� another voice The LI Supporters put the manager in the middle by complaining. I would be upset with them too... We finally agree about something. I don't care WHO is collecting signatures in ANY parking lot. They don't belong there. If ANYONE approaches me in a parking lot in ANY location, I will report it to a manager. Like I said, everyone's rights END at my nose. another voice Wow...you sure sound bitter for more reasons than just disagreeing with those who are taking a stand and doing what they beleive is right, and is also thier right as a citizen of a free country. I feel sorry for whatever may have caused you to develop such animosity towards your fellow man/woman. It does not sound healthy to remain in such a state all of the time. Sorry it's NOT bitterness. To me it's a safety issue. pure and simple. No matter WHO it was for whatever reason. I think it's not a safe place for EITHER the petiononer or the signer. Nothing MORE. another voice



Grant1	Mar 5 2006, 10:05 PM Post #30
We have just begun to fight! Posts: 3,167 Group: Members Member #117 Joined: November 14, 2005	anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 09:56 PM Grant1 Mar 5 2006, 09:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 09:10 PM cmic Mar 5 2006, 08:40 PM anothervoice Mar 5 2006, 08:36 PM I agree everyone has a right to seek out petition signers, but that right ends at someone else's nose. The parking lot is private property and the landlord has every right to do what did. In this day and age, I sure wouldn't want ANYONE approaching me in any parking lot, from a pure safety issue alone. I can't believe that anyone in this day and age can consider it safe to approach strangers in a parking lot in the first place! I'd see that as harrassment and I sure would complain to management of the nearby store in a heartbeat! I feel sorry that there was an implication that BUSCHS was to blame here. That store has done a lot for this district and it bothers me that the manager was placed in the middle of it! another voice The LI Supporters put the manager in the middle by complaining. I would be upset with them too... We finally agree about something. I don't care WHO is collecting signatures in ANY parking lot. They don't belong there. If ANYONE approaches me in a parking lot in ANY location, I will report it to a manager. Like I said, everyone's rights END at my nose. another voice Wow...you sure sound bitter for more reasons than just disagreeing with those who are taking a stand and doing what they beleive is right, and is also thier right as a citizen of a free country. I feel sorry for whatever may have caused you to develop such animosity towards your fellow man/woman. It does not sound healthy to remain in such a state all of the time. Sorry it's NOT bitterness. To me it's a safety issue. pure and simple. No matter WHO it was for whatever reason. I think it's not a safe place for EITHER the petiononer or the signer. Nothing MORE. another voice Now you sound a bit paranoid...I am sorry you have lost the trust in your fellow man/woman. We would all learn to live much better lives when we learn to trust. Due to the LI I have lost some trust in certain individuals, but never with just anyone and everyone.


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