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Topic Started: Dec 29 2005, 03:54 PM (4,410 Views)
NFarquharson
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Thanks for sticking up for me...even though it's not true. Dr. Freud has been a little sarcastic at times.
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livoniarecall
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It's to be expected from Dr. Freud, but this new avatar? How could a bad word come out of that little cutie? That might be my problem...I need a nicer avatar.
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Don't forget. He is a monster.
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jaa
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
Cindi
Jan 1 2006, 07:59 PM
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It was long but I had friends to talk to and now a days you have music to listen to. Sure they could be better things for them to be doing,but in this financal crisis I really don't know who won't need to take a bus somewhere.


jaa---In our financial crisis............why would we put an additional 3700 children on busses (bus holds 70 children...I would assume they will have to purchase an additional 30-40 busses). Keeping a K-6 or K-5 would require the purchase of additional 12 busses (per the plans proposed by the demographics committee). I question the research and projected costs of the transportation aspect of the LI.

I appreciate your postings and your view points. I'm a little confused how the debate started regarding Special Education and Gifted Programs. My only thought regarding the Gifted Programs is that those children are bussed by the choice of their parents. Most advocates of the LI compare the bussing issue with the children who are in gifted programs. I believe the majority of the LPS students don't fall under this catagory. I think both these programs are an asset to LPS, I have friends who child attends a program here, he has Down Syndrom and the schooling he receives has been incredible! I found the BOE and Demo Board to be extremely insensitve to those children and parents in the beginning...they waited unitl the last minute to address this program.

I believe the teachers found out about the LI at the same time the parents did. I also believe they/you were told not to discredit or speak negatively about it. Teachers with less seniority are probably worried if they will have a job next year.

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I saw something about contracts and that on here one day. What you guys had was wrong. It was just according to contract. The shifting of people etc. I promise I will only ever tell all of you the only truth that I know...I don't lie!


Not sure what you mean about the contracts...but I did post a notice that came from the LEA in regards to the Transitioning Committee that has been formed. The LEA stated, "It is important that everyone understands that all the conversations will follow the LEA contract." The Transistion Management Committee met on Novemeber 29th, the committee had already been formed. The vote was passed the previous day, November 28th. Something tells me there was no need for a vote, because everthing had already been set in motion---it was a done deal, the BOE only went through the motions because it was a politically correct thing to do.

Thanks for posting. Whether you are an advocate or opposer you are welcome. It is refreshing to read new posts and posts that are not sarcastic and provide valid information. Happy New Year!

I wish that I had all the answers for all of you. I just don't have them for this huge problem. But I do want to clear up one thing here. I did state ( on one of the other threads) but will do so again that at no time did the union or LPS tell me that I should not speak out against this,period. I am getting the impression that you work for the schools. If you do maybe you should come forward and help give another perspective. The union rag that was sent out not to long ago(but after the vote)said that conversations about transfers,layoffs and movement around the schools with the staff will follow the language of the LEA contracts. That is all that they meant about that. Nothing for the Para-Pro's is even out yet so we are even more in the dark.
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edforall
Jan 1 2006, 05:29 PM
livoniarecall
Jan 1 2006, 04:49 PM
I regret that you found my comments snide, I was smiling the entire time that I wrote them.  My intent was to be extremely sarcastic, as I did not find your posts respectful in any way.  I am not surprised by your response, but am pleased that your quote has given me yet another full page.  How about those bus rides though?

Thanks!

If I were to sink as low as you I were to say this...I would say that bus rides can be long. They smell bad and fumes are horrid. You move jostle around in your seat just trying to hang on as the bus speeds over bumps on the dark roads of the industrial corridors of Westland. They can be very scary for kids who's parents teach them of evil things that can happen. What if there is snow and the bus is late? What if one breaks down and you must wait for a new one? I think that it is just too darn tough(and very funny) that your kids will have to now ride one after being kept for so long in their little cocoon all safe and warm. I will laugh now(and I think point and wave to your child) everytime I see one filled with the little faces of the children in your neighborhood pressed up against the glass. :D All the time knowing that my child is right where I want them to be,and at the school I want them to be! I won't give you a second thought, Oh but I will! I will think that it is a laugh that you and your friends are in this mess. Yes I think I will have a laugh....I will laugh longer than you did when you were trying to be extremely sarcastic. See when someone is just trying to have a some input in a fourm like this you don't need to be a jerk. And if you wanted to have a contest......livonarecall...I just WON but being a jerk is not really who I am. But I think that it is who you are. I didn't ask for it but you did. Good day to all of you.

Now there's a keeper! I had to read this several times before I could believe it. I quoted this so that I could find it again quickly. Its like a car wreck that I wish to drive by a second and third time. No sarcasm intended, really. Facinating!
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edforall
Jan 1 2006, 05:29 PM
livoniarecall
Jan 1 2006, 04:49 PM
I regret that you found my comments snide, I was smiling the entire time that I wrote them.  My intent was to be extremely sarcastic, as I did not find your posts respectful in any way.  I am not surprised by your response, but am pleased that your quote has given me yet another full page.  How about those bus rides though?

Thanks!

If I were to sink as low as you I were to say this...I would say that bus rides can be long. They smell bad and fumes are horrid. You move jostle around in your seat just trying to hang on as the bus speeds over bumps on the dark roads of the industrial corridors of Westland. They can be very scary for kids who's parents teach them of evil things that can happen. What if there is snow and the bus is late? What if one breaks down and you must wait for a new one? I think that it is just too darn tough(and very funny) that your kids will have to now ride one after being kept for so long in their little cocoon all safe and warm. I will laugh now(and I think point and wave to your child) everytime I see one filled with the little faces of the children in your neighborhood pressed up against the glass. :D All the time knowing that my child is right where I want them to be,and at the school I want them to be! I won't give you a second thought, Oh but I will! I will think that it is a laugh that you and your friends are in this mess. Yes I think I will have a laugh....I will laugh longer than you did when you were trying to be extremely sarcastic. See when someone is just trying to have a some input in a fourm like this you don't need to be a jerk. And if you wanted to have a contest......livonarecall...I just WON but being a jerk is not really who I am. But I think that it is who you are. I didn't ask for it but you did. Good day to all of you.

I am shocked and saddened that a parent will laugh and feel great that children will be suffering, just to make their point. That they won? Won what exactly? That your a bigger jerk than someone else? Ok you won. so what? Just because you do not agree with someone on this site, that gives you the right to turn into a raving lunatic? I would never wish ill to anyones kids no matter how much I disagree or even dislike the parent. Laugh and point to see their faces pressed against a bus window? What ARE you thinking? Get ahold of yourselves. Stop acting like uncontrollable brats. The only ones who matter in all this IS the kids. Thats what this is all about. We protect our kids, thats what being a parent is all about.
Reread your posts, do you not see what you are projecting?
Now am I going to be the target of your venem?
Can we PLEASE remember what this site is about and for.
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edforall
Jan 1 2006, 05:29 PM
livoniarecall
Jan 1 2006, 04:49 PM
I regret that you found my comments snide, I was smiling the entire time that I wrote them.  My intent was to be extremely sarcastic, as I did not find your posts respectful in any way.  I am not surprised by your response, but am pleased that your quote has given me yet another full page.  How about those bus rides though?

Thanks!

If I were to sink as low as you I were to say this...I would say that bus rides can be long. They smell bad and fumes are horrid. You move jostle around in your seat just trying to hang on as the bus speeds over bumps on the dark roads of the industrial corridors of Westland. They can be very scary for kids who's parents teach them of evil things that can happen. What if there is snow and the bus is late? What if one breaks down and you must wait for a new one? I think that it is just too darn tough(and very funny) that your kids will have to now ride one after being kept for so long in their little cocoon all safe and warm. I will laugh now(and I think point and wave to your child) everytime I see one filled with the little faces of the children in your neighborhood pressed up against the glass. :D All the time knowing that my child is right where I want them to be,and at the school I want them to be! I won't give you a second thought, Oh but I will! I will think that it is a laugh that you and your friends are in this mess. Yes I think I will have a laugh....I will laugh longer than you did when you were trying to be extremely sarcastic. See when someone is just trying to have a some input in a fourm like this you don't need to be a jerk. And if you wanted to have a contest......livonarecall...I just WON but being a jerk is not really who I am. But I think that it is who you are. I didn't ask for it but you did. Good day to all of you.

edforall.............WHO are YOU and what rock did you crawl from under :angry:

THAT has got to be the single sickest post to date. You say you are NOT a jerk????? Oh, I beg to differ and I feel sorry for your spouse and your child/ren. If you meant it as bait, CONGRATULATIONS, you hooked us. Mainly because we can't believe there are sick-o's like you on the site.

Where is the editor???? Edforall's post should be removed!
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Why edit the post? let him or her be known for what they have said.
It diminishes their credibility.
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Exactly - leave the post. Let everyone read and and sit back and think oh my word what is this person teaching their children. Edforall should be embarassed for the post!

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jaa Posted on Jan 2 2006, 10:39 AM  I wish that I had all the answers for all of you. I just don't have them for this huge problem. But I do want to clear up one thing here. I did state ( on one of the other threads) but will do so again that at no time did the union or LPS tell me that I should not speak out against this,period. I am getting the impression that you work for the schools. If you do maybe you should come forward and help give another perspective.


I appreciate your honesty. I did read your other thread, I thought I read that no one said you could not talk about the LI; therefore my statement was that I feel that teachers were told not to talk "bad" about it, not that they could not "talk" about it. I'm not sure why you think I work for the schools in any capacity. The most I do is volunteer in my childrens classrooms and not as often as I would like because I work full time again this year. I would love to give another perspective, and would if I truly saw one to give. I have done a lot of reading and have yet to find the benefits of large schools and additional transitionings. I have a 4th grade child who will be forced to attend school 6 miles from his home, he has anxiety attacks every year when a new program, class etc start. He gets through it........sometimes just a couple days, sometimes it's a couple weeks. I have other concerns too.......and people get upset when the socio-economic side of the subject comes up. But it is a concern of mine and I am entitled to my concerns. I work in the accounting field.........that is why I question the numbers. I also have a family transportation company and I know what it costs to run a heavy vehicle (such as a bus). I bought my house because of the school district, because my kids could walk to school (and they do), the teachers are wonderful at our school. I try very hard to post meaningful information here and try to keep emotion out of it. But thank goodness for my first instict of emotions because it pushed me to research the subjects and I have learned an a whole lot!!! I can honestly say that I am informed, concerned and starting to get emotional again. Thanks for listening.
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Jan 2 2006, 07:08 PM
Exactly - leave the post. Let everyone read and and sit back and think oh my word what is this person teaching their children. Edforall should be embarassed for the post!

You are SO right. Thanks you for showing me the error of my ways :( edforall wanted to start something and s/he did. I was so disgusted by the post I took the bait. My bad!!!

Just another one I know to stay away from. Thanks friends :lol:
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Jan 2 2006, 06:51 PM
Why edit the post? let him or her be known for what they have said.
It diminishes their credibility.

Amen to that!
I thought Ed was doing better than usual until that post came along. :huh:
Wow. :o
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Jan 2 2006, 07:35 PM
f11
Jan 2 2006, 06:51 PM
Why edit the post? let him or her be known for what they have said.
It diminishes their credibility.

Amen to that!
I thought Ed was doing better than usual until that post came along. :huh:
Wow. :o

I thought the same thing. We were wrong.
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Jan 2 2006, 07:09 PM
I have other concerns too.......and people get upset when the socio-economic side of the subject comes up.  But it is a concern of mine and I am entitled to my concerns.

I have been doing a lot of soul-searching about this issue of socio-economic class and would love to hear other people's perspectives. I guess some people will call this politically incorrect, but it has been on my mind.

There are wide differences in socio-economic class across the area the LPS serves. There are areas that feature very expensive homes and other areas with apartments and trailer parks. The largest portion is somewhere in the middle...modest, older, well-kept homes with working class and professional people. Kids from all of these different areas deserve the same excellent education that LPS has been known for. In fact, those schools that have a larger portion of students below the poverty level are entitled to even more under Title I, which makes sense to me. They may need extra help, lower teacher-student ratios. free lunches, etc.

That being said, I am concerned about the impact of mixing economic classes as the 5/6 schools. This has absolutely nothing to do with race, religion, ethnic background or any other protected class. The reality is that children from families that live close to or below the poverty level are more likely to have a number of challenges and problems than those from families with higher incomes. That doesn't mean they are bad kids or that all of their parents are bad parents. But the reality is that chldren living below the poverty level are more likely to come from unstable families. They are more likely to go home to an empty house, because the parent or parents cannot afford child care. Many may be the working poor, who are in low-paying jobs with no benefits. Some may be the children of teenage parents. They are more likely to move frequently. They are more likely to have been exposed to things I try to shelter my kids from, right or wrong.

The bottom line is, given a choice, I prefer to have my kids with other kids from families that are living in single family houses like mine rather than apartments and trailers. I prefer for them to be with other kids from families similar to ours in economic means. I guess some may consider this a prejudice, but I don't see it that way. I work every day in a very economically challenged area of Detroit and deal with all sorts of people. I love it and I love helping people who need an extra hand. But I see every day what poverty can do and I would never chose to live and send my kids to school in an area like that. I want their friends to be from families like mine with similar values. We all chose where we live with these things in mind and there is no denying that. What do others think?
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Want2move
Jan 2 2006, 07:35 PM
f11
Jan 2 2006, 06:51 PM
Why edit the post? let him or her be known for what they have said.
It diminishes their credibility.

Amen to that!
I thought Ed was doing better than usual until that post came along. :huh:
Wow. :o

Want2Move-

Cute avatar.............is it Ed, Edd, Or Eddy :lol: VERY creative, too!!!
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