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| edforall | Jan 1 2006, 04:19 PM Post #31 |
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You in no way needed to be snide. I was respectful of you and everyone else on this subject. I did write that here in my posts. You had no reason to speak in that manner. This is one reason that people have a problem with this site. No one can say anything to anyone of you without having snide comment said back to them. You are unable to discuss in a back in forth fashion. When you think that someone might know something on a personsal level more than you,you bombard them with all of your data. I am sorry that you must act in this manner. I will look these things up (the data that you gave me). I don't think that you would look up one single fact that you didn't want to hear and really admit that someone might have a point. No one was saying that ACAT/MACAT/MSC were under the ADA. It was said that children in special ed programs here in Livonia have disablities that fall under the ADA. The basic point is this: These talented and gifted children are not special ed. they are very special children capable of wonderful things. No one is taking away from that. You just need to watch when you link the term special ed program in Livonia with the ACAT/MACT/MSC programs. People just want you to stop doing so. They do not recive the special ed money that the other programs do. I myself am going to call and check out all of this again (even if I know it to be true) and double check. No need to be snide here. Just accept what others have to say. By the way. The dean can have her degree in Special education and have degrees in regular education and gifted children as well (I'm still calling friends to find out what "special degree" you need to teach talented and gifted,I have yet to fiqure that out....unless I am missing something from my college days there is not one,but it has been a few years now times have changed) I am sure that she worked very hard to get where she is today. I think that it is great that we have such wonderful educators in our state. We also have them in our schools. I did come back and edit this post much like you did yours. But with mine I did not add a lot of things after the fact. I only tried to clean up my horrible typing. :rolleyes: |
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| livoniarecall | Jan 1 2006, 04:49 PM Post #32 |
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I regret that you found my comments snide, I was smiling the entire time that I wrote them. My intent was to be extremely sarcastic, as I did not find your posts respectful in any way. I am not surprised by your response, but am pleased that your quote has given me yet another full page. How about those bus rides though? Thanks! |
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| edforall | Jan 1 2006, 05:29 PM Post #33 |
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If I were to sink as low as you I were to say this...I would say that bus rides can be long. They smell bad and fumes are horrid. You move jostle around in your seat just trying to hang on as the bus speeds over bumps on the dark roads of the industrial corridors of Westland. They can be very scary for kids who's parents teach them of evil things that can happen. What if there is snow and the bus is late? What if one breaks down and you must wait for a new one? I think that it is just too darn tough(and very funny) that your kids will have to now ride one after being kept for so long in their little cocoon all safe and warm. I will laugh now(and I think point and wave to your child) everytime I see one filled with the little faces of the children in your neighborhood pressed up against the glass. All the time knowing that my child is right where I want them to be,and at the school I want them to be! I won't give you a second thought, Oh but I will! I will think that it is a laugh that you and your friends are in this mess. Yes I think I will have a laugh....I will laugh longer than you did when you were trying to be extremely sarcastic. See when someone is just trying to have a some input in a fourm like this you don't need to be a jerk. And if you wanted to have a contest......livonarecall...I just WON but being a jerk is not really who I am. But I think that it is who you are. I didn't ask for it but you did. Good day to all of you.
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| livoniarecall | Jan 1 2006, 05:37 PM Post #34 |
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I don't believe anyone stated that special certs or degrees are required for Gifted and Talented, although they should be. Fund it and they will come. Javits receives three cents out of every $100 spent on education, IDEA programs receive $31.10. So glad that I could cheer you up. And I apoligize for clouding the issue with those pesky facts. If I'm reading your post correctly, you agree wih Anna about the long bus rides. Cool, thanks. Good day! |
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| jaa | Jan 1 2006, 06:59 PM Post #35 |
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME. Ok I am here as a new person. I can not say that you will like my view but here goes.....I came on today and read this long string on chat from all of these people. I have a child in the MACAT program and I work in special education for LPS. The issue is busses first: busses are hard. I grew up in Plym/Canton and almost all of us rode busses to school. I did ok. I rode from the South end of Canton to the North part of Plymouth. It was long but I had friends to talk to and now a days you have music to listen to. Sure they could be better things for them to be doing,but in this financal crisis I really don't know who won't need to take a bus somewhere. I am sorry for you all and your children. It is really horrible when something like that happens and you can't really do much to change it. Now for my really reason I am here the MACAT Special Ed issue. I have worked in Special Ed for years and MACAT is just not defined as Special Ed in Livonia Public or in Michigan. MACAT is not mandated by the state of Michigan. Special Education is for children with special needs such as: (and I am not going to list them I just don't have enough room) Physical handicapps, hearing impariments, vision impairments, speech and language impairiments, ADD/ADHD, autism, mental illness, mental impairiments, emotional impairiments I could go on and on. There is a list somewhere that you could find on a web site. You have IEP's for your child and doctor certifications the list goes on and on. In Special Education you give doucments of the need for your child to the schools. I think that the thing that is getting us hung up here is the word "SPECIAL" both sets of children are special,all children are special but these two groups in this school community are unique. My child did not go to ACAT. I had my child stay back at the home school for k-6. This was my choice. Because these children have different social needs as well as educational I felt that it was in their best interest to stay at the home school to be among friends in our area. Right or wrong? Hind sight is twenty twenty. I do know that they do get board and they do need to be challanged. But I also know that I don't everyday tell my child how better they are than everyone else which some in that program do,a part I don't like about it. This is why I had to comment on the Special Ed debate going on here. The teachers there are great but I bet that they don't have special ed degrees just to do that job. If they do have them it is because they were going into Special Ed and moved back into the regular ed field. I am sure that they have extra classes in how to teach my gifted child. I sure hope that they do. Even if they don't it is ok..just be a good teacher is all I ask and know the material that you are teaching. Love teaching and my kid. I know the Special Ed teachers and para-pro's care very much for the special ed kids. This again is why I write. I don't want anyone to think that Special Ed gets anything less than they do. I want respect for special ed and someone here asked for you to stop calling MACAT special ed. I think that needs to be done. Livoniarecall stated in a post that they didn't believe that anyone stated that special certs or degrees were required for MACAT. Well when I read it I felt that ther was an implication. I know that it is not true. I don't mind writing all of these views down here and I know that this is rather long but I just need to comment on the subject when I saw this. I am very sorry that we can't all get along. It is very sad. I am proud to work for LPS. I am very proud of Special Ed and I am very proud of my child in MACAT. But I will NEVER confuse and say that the two are under the same special ed umbrella. Thank you for your time. A MACAT Mom. I did notice that there is some question at times as to what LPS has told the staff. If you have any questions I would try to answer. |
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| NFarquharson | Jan 1 2006, 07:11 PM Post #36 |
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I too have a gifted child and chose not to pursue ACAT because I believed he would be better off staying with the kids in our neighborhood. Unfortunately, our neighborhood school will now close and, per the LI plan, my son would go to one of the supersize 5/6 schools. I can't imagine him with 900 5th and 6th graders, so I am back to looking at Webster. Go ahead and tell us what teachers have been told. I am starting a new thread for you... |
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| jaa | Jan 1 2006, 07:22 PM Post #37 |
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
Not as much as you guys really think that we have. Dispite all of the rumors we were told of the LI at the very same time or all were, just at Churchill. I went to my home school with my friend though. You didn't have to go to Churchill if you did want to. I mean no one took attendance at the door. I didn't hear of anyone getting in trouble because they were not there and high ups saw me and spoke to me at the school. No one knows where they are being moved to so everyone can stop thinking that. Some People are somewhat unsure of their jobs if they are low on the list. Everything is really up in the air. We were told that transfers happen according to the contract. You can ask for one but that does not always mean you will get one. I saw something about contracts and that on here one day. What you guys had was wrong. It was just according to contract. The shifting of people etc. I promise I will only ever tell all of you the only truth that I know...I don't lie! Oh Freued was cute...saw him the other day. Nice work. Cute green guy now. |
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| jaa | Jan 1 2006, 07:23 PM Post #38 |
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
Wait were you being mean? or sarcastic? I am not sure if I took it how it was meant to be taken??? |
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| livoniarecall | Jan 1 2006, 07:29 PM Post #39 |
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That wasn't my post. NFarquharson isn't mean OR sarcastic. |
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| NFarquharson | Jan 1 2006, 07:33 PM Post #40 |
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You sure did take it the right way. I was not trying to be mean and I welcome hearing other points of view or information from other people's training or life experience. I guess I can get sarcastic at times with the nasty/argumentative types, but my New Year's resolution is to ignore the poo stirring. If you have been reading some of the old stuff on here, you can see that we all have different views and different experiences, but the one thing most of us have in common is that we don't like the 5/6 school model. Like many, I am really sad that my kids can no longer be in a neighborhood school or at least a reasonable sized elementary school within a couple miles of home. |
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| Mom2Three | Jan 1 2006, 07:37 PM Post #41 |
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| NFarquharson | Jan 1 2006, 07:44 PM Post #42 |
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Last year when my son was in 3rd grade, I got a letter asking us to consider applying for ASAT after some of his test scores came in (Stanford and Otis-Lennon.) I basically ignored it, because I wanted my son to stay in the neighborhood. At parent teacher conferences this year, a couple of weeks after the Legacy "proposal" was announced, I spoke with both of my kids teachers about ACAT, because I knew I didn't like the new grade configuration and school sizes. Are you saying they don't take kids after 4th grade or that you don't have to get them tested, perhaps because they have these tests plus the MEAP to go on? I was going to call Webster this week to get more information, but if you know something that might help... |
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| jaa | Jan 1 2006, 07:45 PM Post #43 |
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
I am very sorry who ever you are. You seem as if you are having a bad day. I really don't understand what you are trying to say here to me? I will not fight here. |
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| Cindi | Jan 1 2006, 07:59 PM Post #44 |
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jaa---In our financial crisis............why would we put an additional 3700 children on busses (bus holds 70 children...I would assume they will have to purchase an additional 30-40 busses). Keeping a K-6 or K-5 would require the purchase of additional 12 busses (per the plans proposed by the demographics committee). I question the research and projected costs of the transportation aspect of the LI. I appreciate your postings and your view points. I'm a little confused how the debate started regarding Special Education and Gifted Programs. My only thought regarding the Gifted Programs is that those children are bussed by the choice of their parents. Most advocates of the LI compare the bussing issue with the children who are in gifted programs. I believe the majority of the LPS students don't fall under this catagory. I think both these programs are an asset to LPS, I have friends who child attends a program here, he has Down Syndrom and the schooling he receives has been incredible! I found the BOE and Demo Board to be extremely insensitve to those children and parents in the beginning...they waited unitl the last minute to address this program. I believe the teachers found out about the LI at the same time the parents did. I also believe they/you were told not to discredit or speak negatively about it. Teachers with less seniority are probably worried if they will have a job next year.
Not sure what you mean about the contracts...but I did post a notice that came from the LEA in regards to the Transitioning Committee that has been formed. The LEA stated, "It is important that everyone understands that all the conversations will follow the LEA contract." The Transistion Management Committee met on Novemeber 29th, the committee had already been formed. The vote was passed the previous day, November 28th. Something tells me there was no need for a vote, because everthing had already been set in motion---it was a done deal, the BOE only went through the motions because it was a politically correct thing to do. Thanks for posting. Whether you are an advocate or opposer you are welcome. It is refreshing to read new posts and posts that are not sarcastic and provide valid information. Happy New Year! |
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| livoniarecall | Jan 1 2006, 09:45 PM Post #45 |
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That was intended to poke fun at my previously admitted sarcasm. My day has been pretty good so far, and I have no desire to fight with anyone. I do hope that my bit of sarcasm before does not now disqualify me from pointing out a few facts now and then. |
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All the time knowing that my child is right where I want them to be,and at the school I want them to be! I won't give you a second thought, Oh but I will! I will think that it is a laugh that you and your friends are in this mess. Yes I think I will have a laugh....I will laugh longer than you did when you were trying to be extremely sarcastic. See when someone is just trying to have a some input in a fourm like this you don't need to be a jerk. And if you wanted to have a contest......livonarecall...I just WON but being a jerk is not really who I am. But I think that it is who you are. I didn't ask for it but you did. Good day to all of you.


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