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ACAT/MACAT; XYZ--This is for YOU
Topic Started: Dec 29 2005, 03:54 PM (4,406 Views)
Anna Krome
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Dear XYZ,

I am not sure who you are. There are two writing styles involved in the posts. (You do show some sense of humor, by the way.)

It does not really matter who you are. What matters most to me is that you are giving folks the wrong impression about ACAT/MACAT kids.

1. Kids in the programs are just like everyone else. They do not like transitioning, and they do not like spending their afternoons on buses.

Anna Krome

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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
Anna Krome
Dec 29 2005, 03:54 PM
Dear XYZ,

I am not sure who you are. There are two writing styles involved in the posts. (You do show some sense of humor, by the way.)

It does not really matter who you are. What matters most to me is that you are giving folks the wrong impression about ACAT/MACAT kids.

1. Kids in the programs are just like everyone else. They do not like transitioning, and they do not like spending their afternoons on buses.

Anna Krome
THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME ACAT/MACAT kids are just the same as most kids,just a bit smarter. If you are so worried about bus times then why have you subjected your child to long bus rides for this very reason? Are you afraid that these programs cost to much and should be cut Anna? The do cost a ton...do all your fans know that you are in favor of spending money that way? Get you kid off the bus and put them with everyone else!!! Or would you have a hard time looking good? Moveon is edforall
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moveon
Dec 29 2005, 05:41 PM
Anna Krome
Dec 29 2005, 03:54 PM
Dear XYZ,

I am not sure who you are. There are two writing styles involved in the posts. (You do show some sense of humor, by the way.)

It does not really matter who you are. What matters most to me is that you are giving folks the wrong impression about ACAT/MACAT kids.

1. Kids in the programs are just like everyone else. They do not like transitioning, and they do not like spending their afternoons on buses.

Anna Krome

ACAT/MACAT kids are just the same as most kids,just a bit smarter. If you are so worried about bus times then why have you subjected your child to long bus rides for this very reason? Are you afraid that these programs cost to much and should be cut Anna? The do cost a ton...do all your fans know that you are in favor of spending money that way? Get you kid off the bus and put them with everyone else!!! Or would you have a hard time looking good?

Anna, I agree that no one likes spending time on a bus. That is one of the reasons I said that long bus rides might teach children patience. Additionally, you cannot vouch as well as I can regarding transitions for the kids in ACAT and MACAT. You have not been through the programs in recent years. I don't think most ACAT and MACAT students care at all about transitions. Some certainly find the transitions exciting and like the change (especially the more structured environments in middle and high school). Personally, I loved the more structured environment of middle school and how the school day was divided into hours.

Moveon, are you refering to myself or Anna? If it is me, you obviously don't know yet that I am an LPS student. Maybe it is this late hour of night and I can't figure anything out.

*** I have not been posting as much as I did the first few days I posted. I find that actively creating well prepared and posts (and having done some research on a couple) is somewhat draining on my schedule. I will probably not post much anymore and not respond much either.
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THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
xyz-321
Dec 30 2005, 12:17 AM
moveon
Dec 29 2005, 05:41 PM
Anna Krome
Dec 29 2005, 03:54 PM
Dear XYZ,

I am not sure who you are. There are two writing styles involved in the posts. (You do show some sense of humor, by the way.)

It does not really matter who you are. What matters most to me is that you are giving folks the wrong impression about ACAT/MACAT kids.

1. Kids in the programs are just like everyone else. They do not like transitioning, and they do not like spending their afternoons on buses.

Anna Krome
ACAT/MACAT kids are just the same as most kids,just a bit smarter. If you are so worried about bus times then why have you subjected your child to long bus rides for this very reason? Are you afraid that these programs cost to much and should be cut Anna? The do cost a ton...do all your fans know that you are in favor of spending money that way? Get you kid off the bus and put them with everyone else!!! Or would you have a hard time looking good?

Anna, I agree that no one likes spending time on a bus. That is one of the reasons I said that long bus rides might teach children patience. Additionally, you cannot vouch as well as I can regarding transitions for the kids in ACAT and MACAT. You have not been through the programs in recent years. I don't think most ACAT and MACAT students care at all about transitions. Some certainly find the transitions exciting and like the change (especially the more structured environments in middle and high school). Personally, I loved the more structured environment of middle school and how the school day was divided into hours.

Moveon, are you refering to myself or Anna? If it is me, you obviously don't know yet that I am an LPS student. Maybe it is this late hour of night and I can't figure anything out.

*** I have not been posting as much as I did the first few days I posted. I find that actively creating well prepared and posts (and having done some research on a couple) is somewhat draining on my schedule. I will probably not post much anymore and not respond much either.

No I think that you are a student. I was talking to Anna, not you. I agree with your posts. Today they thought that I was you! I do think that your wonderful and your parents must be very proud. I am sorry that they said all of those to you about being picked on etc...but you are much smarter and they lost their cool. ACAT, MACAT and MSC students don't have trouble with transitions. I think that the children of LPS can handle much more than their parents will give them credit for. THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
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Anna, I agree that no one likes spending time on a bus. That is one of the reasons I said that long bus rides might teach children patience. Additionally, you cannot vouch as well as I can regarding transitions for the kids in ACAT and MACAT. You have not been through the programs in recent years. I don't think most ACAT and MACAT students care at all about transitions.


What makes you assume that Anna has not been through the program in recent years?
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no one is ever gonna' convince me that being on a bus will be a good thing
or teach patience....give me a break.


moveon...a bit of advice..
please type slower or go back and "re-read" what you have said,
it is very hard to follow your posts.
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bjt
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Our family moved here about 16 months ago. Where we used to live my son had a 40 min bus ride to and from school. My son did this from k-3 till we moved here. It did not teach my son patience. What it DID teach him was some very interesting words, songs and phrases thanks to the older kids. That extra 80 min a day made for a very long day for my child. He was always tired (cranky) and starved when he got home. Then there was also the problem of the older kids on the bus picking on the younger ones. I know the drivers do all that they can but the fact is they have to pay attention to driving.
When we moved to Livonia and my son saw that there would no longer be long bus rides he was thrilled! He gets to sleep later as well as get home earlier. I saw a huge difference in my son with the end of the long bus rides.
I know changes have to be made but I also know there are better ways than the Legacy Initiative.
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bjt
Dec 30 2005, 10:23 AM
Our family moved here about 16 months ago. Where we used to live my son had a 40 min bus ride to and from school. My son did this from k-3 till we moved here. It did not teach my son patience. What it DID teach him was some very interesting words, songs and phrases thanks to the older kids. That extra 80 min a day made for a very long day for my child. He was always tired (cranky) and starved when he got home. Then there was also the problem of the older kids on the bus picking on the younger ones. I know the drivers do all that they can but the fact is they have to pay attention to driving.
When we moved to Livonia and my son saw that there would no longer be long bus rides he was thrilled! He gets to sleep later as well as get home earlier. I saw a huge difference in my son with the end of the long bus rides.
I know changes have to be made but I also know there are better ways than the Legacy Initiative.

Finally, someone who agrees with what I have been thinking and saying all along. Long bus rides are not good for any child!
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parentsw/power
Dec 30 2005, 11:06 AM
bjt
Dec 30 2005, 10:23 AM
Our family moved here about 16 months ago. Where we used to live my son had a 40 min bus ride to and from school. My son did this from k-3 till we moved here. It did not teach my son patience. What it DID teach him was some very interesting words, songs and phrases thanks to the older kids. That extra 80 min a day made for a very long day for my child. He was always tired (cranky) and starved when he got home. Then there was also the problem of the older kids on the bus picking on the younger ones. I know the drivers do all that they can but the fact is they have to pay attention to driving.
When we moved to Livonia and my son saw that there would no longer be long bus rides he was thrilled! He gets to sleep later as well as get home earlier. I saw a huge difference in my son with the end of the long bus rides.
I know changes have to be made but I also know there are better ways than the Legacy Initiative.

Finally, someone who agrees with what I have been thinking and saying all along. Long bus rides are not good for any child!

Not just what you have been thinking and saying, but what existing data also supports. Remember, we must collect and present everything as viable data from reliable and authoritative sources ( prominent educators, learning institutions, financial auditing firms, realtor market studies, etc... ) the only way to beat the scant amount of data the BOE used to support this plan is to overwhelm it with contrary supporting data.

In God We Trust - All Others Require Data!

Viable supporting data will be admissible in courts, inquiries, injunctions, and recalls. Feelings and hearsay are dismissable.
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bjt
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Please go to sites and read about how healthy it is for our kids to have a long bus ride!

www.ehhi.org/reports/diesel/

www.nrdc.org/media/pressReleases/010212.asp

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Anna Krome
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moveone: ACAT/MACAT kids are just the same as most kids,just a bit smarter. If you are so worried about bus times then why have you subjected your child to long bus rides for this very reason? Are you afraid that these programs cost to much and should be cut Anna? The do cost a ton...do all your fans know that you are in favor of spending money that way? Get you kid off the bus and put them with everyone else!!! Or would you have a hard time looking good?

Hello moveone,

First of all, I am not afraid of having a dialog w/you or anyone else.

I feel strongly that long bus rides on too-narrow streets at rush hour in poor weather is not what I want for any child. Research indicates that a child is very vulnerable to bullying on long bus rides.

The kids in the ACAT/MACAT programs are academically advanced--not "smarter." They have the same issues any other child might have. They are not emotionally any more equipped than another child. They get bored, too.

If anything, it is a challenge keeping them occupied and stimulated. They have to deal w/scholastically being beyond their years, yet emotionally they are still their biological years. It can be a conundrum.

They are not intrinsically able to "handle" long bus rides or many transitions. Parents who choose these programs are usually working off recommendations from their teachers at regular school.

The long bus rides are a serious factor for parents w/children in the programs. Many parents opt out. Many have their kids on the bus for the greater good of the whole program.

ACAT/MACAT is special education, mandated by the state. Less than 1% of every dollar spent on special ed. goes to the academcially advanced programs.

We are talking about children who are very unusual. For example, a 4-year-old might be able to do 3rd grade math. Or, a 6th grader reads and comprehends, as well as a freshman in college.

Webster is a unique program in that it houses TMI (trainable mentally impaired) as well as children at the other end of the spectrum. This provides for "reading buddies" and much mentoring. It is a life-expanding experience.

The ACAT/MACAT programs came into being in the 1970s. Many, many people move to Livonia in hopes of placing their children there. Webster has the state's highest MEAP scores. This brings up the entire city's scores. Webster is one of only a handful of dedicated programs in the entire nation.

LPS should be proud of this innovative special education program. It is one of our gems.

Anna Krome

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Cindi
Dec 30 2005, 06:24 AM
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Anna, I agree that no one likes spending time on a bus. That is one of the reasons I said that long bus rides might teach children patience. Additionally, you cannot vouch as well as I can regarding transitions for the kids in ACAT and MACAT. You have not been through the programs in recent years. I don't think most ACAT and MACAT students care at all about transitions.


What makes you assume that Anna has not been through the program in recent years?

Recent is a relative term. I am defining recent as someone who only left macat a couple/few years ago. I fall into that category, Anna does not.

Anna Krome
Dec 30 2005, 12:47 PM
LPS should be proud of this innovative special education program. It is one of our gems.

I definitely agree with that.
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Anna Krome
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Disclosure:

We have been in ACAT/MACAT for the last 6 years.

I have edited 2 books on talented children for Doctors of Education.

I have read a lot on the topic, in order to edit the books, as well as to understand what my child is going through.

I thought my child was just like any other child, until a teacher pointed it out to me. And, my youngster was telling me that she had become a "helper/tutor" in class.

I became concerned about her experience in school. We put her in special education to help her. We dealt w/the bus for her education.

The point is: LI does nothing for the children in any way.

Name one thing it does for the kids--I am still waiting to learn this.

Anna Krome
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Anna Krome
Dec 30 2005, 01:35 PM
Disclosure:

We have been in ACAT/MACAT for the last 6 years.

I have edited 2 books on talented children for Doctors of Education.

I have read a lot on the topic, in order to edit the books, as well as to understand what my child is going through.

I thought my child was just like any other child, until a teacher pointed it out to me. And, my youngster was telling me that she had become a "helper/tutor" in class.

I became concerned about her experience in school. We put her in special education to help her. We dealt w/the bus for her education.

The point is: LI does nothing for the children in any way.

Name one thing it does for the kids--I am still waiting to learn this.

Anna Krome

Moveon-

I think one of the points here is that Anna CHOSE to have her child in the ACAT/MACAT for greater educational opportunities. Therefore, her child is bussed. HER CHOICE!

Hmmmmmm, let me think. My children are not in special programs, therefore we are being bussed AGAINST our wishes. NO CHOICE! Right now, they walk to school with a group of friends in our neighborhood. Please, tell me, how is riding a bus for 40 minutes EACH WAY better for my child than walking with their friends to and from school? Is exercise and fresh air BAD for them??? I think not.

The point here is CHOICE and we weren't given one.
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Anna Krome
Dec 30 2005, 01:35 PM
Disclosure:

We have been in ACAT/MACAT for the last 6 years.

I have edited 2 books on talented children for Doctors of Education.

I have read a lot on the topic, in order to edit the books, as well as to understand what my child is going through.

I thought my child was just like any other child, until a teacher pointed it out to me. And, my youngster was telling me that she had become a "helper/tutor" in class.

I became concerned about her experience in school. We put her in special education to help her. We dealt w/the bus for her education.

The point is: LI does nothing for the children in any way.

Name one thing it does for the kids--I am still waiting to learn this.

Anna Krome

I am offended that you call that special education...please stop doing so. It is not. It is not covered on the ADA...do you know what the ADA is? The American Disabilities Act. Please reasearch this. You will see that it is not. I am going to need to do my homework and find out if MACAT is funded with the special education money. I don't think that it would be because for this money you need to have certification from doctors and such. You see Anna I work as a Special Education Teacher and a Social worker. I also have a special education child. Yes you child is unique but my child is guaranteed money from pre school years until his 20's. Check that one out. You know a lot I give you that but not as much as you would like to think. You offend EVERY family with a special education child in LPS with you comment as far as I am concerned. Oh and I feel that ACAT,MACAT and MSC are some of the best programs in LPS...I am very proud of them! I hate to see people like you put them at risk! THIS POST IS BY EDFORALL, USING A DIFFERENT SCREEN NAME
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