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| loyaltolivonia | Dec 31 2005, 09:30 AM Post #31 |
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JEM- O.K., you transitioned several times.........that was your PARENTS choice! WE were not given a choice, were we??? No, our "wonderful" BOE gave us NO choices when they made THEIR decision. They could have given us choices had they bothered to ask. I agree with Cindi that asking our children what they want to do with their education is VERY absurd. You're way out there on that one. We wouldn't have to ask them if SOMEONE had asked us first what we wanted. And, of course, we know now, there WERE options. Hmmm, that k-5 doesn't sound too bad compared to what you.........oops...........the BOE wants us to do. One less transition for the kids
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| JEM | Dec 31 2005, 11:13 AM Post #32 |
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| Rose | Dec 31 2005, 12:20 PM Post #33 |
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I transitioned 7 times in school. It was my parents choice, not mine. I would never in a million years want to put my child through that. I turned out fine too....but it was very hard to get accustomed to so many new schools. My daughter's school will be closing. She will transition 4 more times before she graduates. We just moved here hoping everything would be stable and she just loves her school and now she has to move to another school. Yes, she will be with her friends, but how often will she see them? Transitioning is not the only concern here, it is the size of the schools. The 5/6 configuration does not seem very doable. I cannot see my child in a school of over 900 kids. I volunteer a lot at my school. How will I ever get to know my childrens peers and parents? As far as asking my child want she wants, of course we talk......her concerns are very important to me, but I am the adult and I make the final decesions in my home. I think the LI was thrown at parents too fast, and to make matters worse, our opinions didn't matter. How many parents got up to speak at the BOE meetings with legitimate concerns and reasons why the LI was not a good idea. I believe the ball was rolling way over a year ago and minds were made up. How terrible to give parents hope, when the BOE didn't care in the first place. Yes, I think change is good......it is a part of life. But the LI is not good.....to many transitions, too big of schools, and so many things that haven't even been considered or worked out. This is my opinion. |
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| Elisa | Dec 31 2005, 12:21 PM Post #34 |
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JEM, I am glad that you have joined the discussion. You bring up a point that was at the very core of the passgae of the LI, personal experience. Many on the BOE stated that their own personal experience, or that of their children, was the basis for their decision. Personal or life experience is something that all of us use in our daily lives. We base many of our personal decisions on such experience. And in the realm of our daily lives I think that it is perfectly acceptable. Your experiences with transition were positive but maybe mine were very negative. So there in lies the dilemma with this type of logic, whose personal experience is more valid, which side is assigned more weight? When you are elected to an office and your charge includes decision making for thousands I believe that you are held to a higher standard. I believe that your decision making process must involve more than subjective experience. I would suggest that is is highly irresponsible to make decions for the public you serve based solely on personal experiences. We all understand that children are unique and that each one will expereince transition differently. Even a collective gathering of opinions could not begin to tell us how the majority would cope. That is why we have research. To move beyond the subjective. Research can quantify and measure the effects of various interventions as it controls for extraneous variables. In the realm of education and the social sciences it is the best we have and the closest we get to "hard science" In the area of transition we have a number of studies that have told us that multiple transitions negatively impact student achievement. These studies involved actual children and their actual achievement. I think that some supporters of the LI haven't read the research and therefore do not understand it. Many seem to believe that the research is only suppostion on the authors part. The BOE should have carefully considered this body of work. The possibilty that transitions could negatively impact even a small number of children in the district is too much to risk. We also have to remember that transition effects were not the only issue. The vast amount of research on small schools and the negative impact of large schools gave the BOE a wealth of empirical infomation and a solid premise in which to turn down the LI. All of this coupled with overwhelming community sentiment against the LI casts a suspicious light on the BOE. At the very least it highlights their lack of qualification to make such a decision. But in the end maybe they understood their limitations and decided to just "follow the leader" |
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| JEM | Dec 31 2005, 12:35 PM Post #35 |
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| Want2move | Dec 31 2005, 01:29 PM Post #36 |
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Sorry if you took my post as hostile JEM. That wasn't my intention. I did however, find your post I quoted to be rather mocking while you were attempting to make your point. Maybe we both need to take some deep breaths. |
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| parentsw/power | Dec 31 2005, 01:53 PM Post #37 |
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Yes, I believe you are a LPS parent, but that doesn't mean you are not Joanne Morgan (whom I believe you are). |
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| Iliveon-Levandownbytheriver | Dec 31 2005, 01:56 PM Post #38 |
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Jem, First of all...thanks for posting. (Not sarcasm..honestly) I do think parents are upset...and it gets the better of us sometimes. I know I have done it on here myself. I think for me..its a combination of things. Its not only the transistions, not only the bus rides, not only the neighborhood school closing, and the large schools....its all of these things combined that makes parents angry. I alot of people are very angry...and honestly I think alot of people will be pulling their children out or moving. I wonder how this will have an affect on the future of LPS. We are pulling our little one out to private school. I feel that one transition over 7 years instead of 4 will be better for her....and also the smaller school is another huge plus. We are very sad...becuase we just moved here in October...so you can understand why we are really upset. My daughter just moved here...she is just getting used to new friends...and her new school...and now..she will be moving again......and every 2 years! As my husband posted earlier on here...my son had cancer..and missed 3 full years of school. He was tutored 2 days a week for 1 hour a day...because unfortuantly..that is what the Law states they only have to do. (dont get me started on that issue) But anyway, when he finally went back to school, he was lost...he was a fraile kid in a huge school. He got pushed aside and did not get the help he needed becuase the school had so many kids. We moved here to get him away from all of that. I think large school sizes is a huge issue..and I think the bigger the school...the more you will have kids that will get "lost". I just wish that there was some huge benefits to the LI. If there were...then maybe I could justify it some how. Iread a post on here that said the upper Elem...would have no recess and no playground epuip. Im not sure if that is true?? Maybe you could clarify that for us. Have a nice New Years. |
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| grantmom | Dec 31 2005, 02:24 PM Post #39 |
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First let me say JEM that I wasn't addressing you when I stated I turned out just fine, you however seemed a little hostile in your reply. I was simply stating that I attended a K-5, with sixth grade in the junior high with seventh and eighth graders and it worked. However, the BOE choose not to even consider that option or the K-6. I also have to agree that asking our children what the would prefer is ridiculous. I would never put that type of burden on my children's shoulders. |
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| loyaltolivonia | Dec 31 2005, 02:24 PM Post #40 |
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JEM- Sorry you seem to feel I'm not 'intelligent' enough for this forum. Sorry you thought my last post was 'sarcastic' and 'hostile'. Sorry we don't agree on this issue. Sorry that I thought you were Joanne Morgan (although at least half the people on this forum think you are). Sorry, sorry, sorry..........but I speak from my heart where my children are concerned. I don't like this LI. I have a 5th grader and he will be MORE affected than any other grade with this. Long bus rides AND 2 new schools in 2 years. We are not able to put him in private schools like some can. My point with you was it was your parents CHOICE to move. We weren't given any choices. So here I sit reading the posts and trying to put my 2 cents in and I am called names. YOU are now as guilty as you say I am. Your post that I first responded to WAS sarcastic also. Re-read it. Maybe we can agree to disagree and we'll BOTH re-read our posts before posting them Have a safe and happy New Years eve........EVERYONE
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| parentsw/power | Dec 31 2005, 02:27 PM Post #41 |
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Thank you, well said. |
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| JEM | Dec 31 2005, 02:39 PM Post #42 |
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| CKlockner | Dec 31 2005, 02:58 PM Post #43 |
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Not only will people be pulling their kids out of LPS but others who were looking to move into the area will not. I have a friend who moved out of state from Livonia 2 years ago. Husband transfered, now is moving back, at least to Michigan. Was planning on moving back to the same neighborhood since she loved the school and her kids were still in contact with alot of their friends. But after hearing about the closing of Taylor, where her two children had attended for four years, and the total upheaval of our schools.With all the added transitions, long bus rides 900+ student population. Has wisely decided to look elsewhere. Said she will drive her kids to their friends homes to play. Livonia is out for her family. So thats two kids that I personally know of that LPS is losing. How much money is that? Its adding up. |
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| livoniarecall | Dec 31 2005, 03:19 PM Post #44 |
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I thought JEM was getting a bad wrap until I read back to the original post that sparked the "sarcastic" responses. The use of multiple Hmm's, Oh I too, And guess what??? I'm not saying that I'm not just as guilty of sarcasm, just saying you shouldn't be surprised by the responses that you received. I would offer that, whether any of us has turned out fine, is in the eye of the beholder. :ph43r: |
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| grantmom | Dec 31 2005, 03:31 PM Post #45 |
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so true. I did post that I turned out fine but maybe to some that could be questionable
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