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Topic Started: Dec 22 2005, 09:58 AM (5,873 Views)
Grant
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Are you so ignorant...that what you just posted is fundamentaly wrong? And by the way...there are districts in Michigan who operate on less money than we and have higher test scores and run more efficiently then LPS. Havent you learned there is more to life than money.

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Grant
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I was just going to ask if it was Livonia2252. Maybe its a BOE trying to change our minds???! SCARY!
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Grant
Dec 22 2005, 06:11 PM
I was just going to ask if it was Livonia2252. Maybe its a BOE trying to change our minds???! SCARY!

Well, at least you have a sense of humor. LOL.
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We've been through this drill with Livonia2252 already. Good day, and good bye.
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xyz-321--I'm confused. Did you read the list of research that the demographics board provided? How does their research apply to LPS?




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If you look at the figures, maps, and other data on the November 14 presentation, there is an awful lot of research that pertains to the district. 


I have it all right here in front of me............Where is the research? I see 3 sets of numbers (savings for each plan considered)---all are close to the same amount. I see 3 different maps, you can get those on map quest. I see a list of advantages and disadvantages..........NOT ONE THING PERTAINS TO THE ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT OF STUDENTS. Savings by closing buildings, duh...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out! I see LARGER SCHOOLS, I see an extra TRANSITIONING that is not necessary. I have yet to see one time COSTS, transportation COSTS. Balancing enrollment? 900 students in a school balances the enrollment??? Efficient use of K-4 and 5/6 teachers to improve programs? Any consideration for teacher collaboration time? The November 12th presentation did not cite any references for these advantages. They listed some valid disadvantages.....Higher initial one time costs--HOW MUCH? Additional transition from one school to another--DID THEY READ ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT HAS ON STUDENT ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT? Large 5/6 and 7/8 schools--LARGE SCHOOLS ALSO HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT. 5/6 upper elementary schools a longer distance away--IT STILL SEPERATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST AS THE K-5 AND K-6 PLAN WOULD.

STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT..............This is what is IMPORTANT!! ACADEMICS..........This is what is IMPORTANT!!

Yep, I do get emotional...I have answered your questions regarding research. The presentation had figures and opinions...it did not cite any research. But it was a beautiful slide show presentation..........I bet that was figured into the savings too!

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Cindi and Elisa.. have you thought about running for a spot on the BOE? I believe we could use you on the Board. :)
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Cindi
Dec 22 2005, 07:23 PM
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xyz-321--I'm confused. Did you read the list of research that the demographics board provided? How does their research apply to LPS?




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If you look at the figures, maps, and other data on the November 14 presentation, there is an awful lot of research that pertains to the district. 


I have it all right here in front of me............Where is the research? I see 3 sets of numbers (savings for each plan considered)---all are close to the same amount. I see 3 different maps, you can get those on map quest. I see a list of advantages and disadvantages..........NOT ONE THING PERTAINS TO THE ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT OF STUDENTS. Savings by closing buildings, duh...doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out! I see LARGER SCHOOLS, I see an extra TRANSITIONING that is not necessary. I have yet to see one time COSTS, transportation COSTS. Balancing enrollment? 900 students in a school balances the enrollment??? Efficient use of K-4 and 5/6 teachers to improve programs? Any consideration for teacher collaboration time? The November 12th presentation did not cite any references for these advantages. They listed some valid disadvantages.....Higher initial one time costs--HOW MUCH? Additional transition from one school to another--DID THEY READ ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT HAS ON STUDENT ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT? Large 5/6 and 7/8 schools--LARGE SCHOOLS ALSO HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT. 5/6 upper elementary schools a longer distance away--IT STILL SEPERATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST AS THE K-5 AND K-6 PLAN WOULD.

STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT..............This is what is IMPORTANT!! ACADEMICS..........This is what is IMPORTANT!!

Yep, I do get emotional...I have answered your questions regarding research. The presentation had figures and opinions...it did not cite any research. But it was a beautiful slide show presentation..........I bet that was figured into the savings too!

Perhaps you are so ignorant that you do not realize that YOU have the biggest impact on your child's educational achievement.

Additionally, I personally know students who are, or have been, transported very far from their homes as part of the ACAT, MACAT, CAPA, and MSC programs. These students do not suffer as a result of these long bus rides. If anything it builds patience.

P.S. Cindi, I think you are a very poor choice for the BOE. Emotion doesn't get things done in a practical manner.
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xyz-321
Dec 22 2005, 06:01 PM
Grant
Dec 22 2005, 05:59 PM
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Dec 22 2005, 05:34 PM
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Dec 22 2005, 05:09 PM
xyz-321
Dec 22 2005, 04:59 PM
I honestly do not see how the Legacy Initiative will hurt all of your children so much. Please, leave me a list of reasons to comment upon.

Apparently you do not read the posts here...but im sure you will now get tons of them to respond to. Also we will post our concerns but you have to do the same...please tell me the benefits of the Legacy initiative for my children.

Yes I do read the posts, however, it would be easier to "strike down" your arugments if I had a simple list. I can't argue against every point made in this forum as there are too many (although very few seem worthy of mention).

In LPS something had to be done. Money needs to come from somewhere... even if it is only .8% of the districts budget. $1.5 - 2.1 million can go a long way, even in a district the size of LPS. With the Legacy Initiative more services can be provided to more students while still saving money in the process.

Once again people......they cannot list any pros to the plan!

Is everyone getting the picture here? Another supporter who cannot tell me the benefits for my daughter...they just want to discount our concerns.

Theres a pattern here. Tell me some benefits PLEASE!!!!

And you can't seem to list any significant, considerable negatives.

to xyz-321 or whatever! You obviously have no children involved in this do you? How about having your kid shoved thru very crowded halls at the new 5/6 with 900+ students how about a 5-mile bus drive for your child, or how about walking into a huge lunch room to look up and see nobody you know!!! You have no idea what this sucky proposal has done,,I will be home schooling
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Okay...here we go again...xyz...please use something besides ignorant!

Its getting a litte old.. second of all...I told you you get a post stating the negatives...now..give us some positives. We are still waiting. We all would love to hear it.

Tick...tick...tick...tick....
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Dec 22 2005, 12:27 PM
Just a quick note here.....looking for a charter school location?....don't look at any of these vacant schools.....policy is not to lease to anyone who's opening a charter school.....

Tom

"Policy is not to lease"
Policy?, or sustainable law?
Don't confuse the two
And after all is said and done, the property does belong to the citizens of Livonia
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Dec 22 2005, 07:55 PM
xyz-321
Dec 22 2005, 06:01 PM
Grant
Dec 22 2005, 05:59 PM
xyz-321
Dec 22 2005, 05:34 PM
Grant
Dec 22 2005, 05:09 PM
xyz-321
Dec 22 2005, 04:59 PM
I honestly do not see how the Legacy Initiative will hurt all of your children so much. Please, leave me a list of reasons to comment upon.

Apparently you do not read the posts here...but im sure you will now get tons of them to respond to. Also we will post our concerns but you have to do the same...please tell me the benefits of the Legacy initiative for my children.

Yes I do read the posts, however, it would be easier to "strike down" your arugments if I had a simple list. I can't argue against every point made in this forum as there are too many (although very few seem worthy of mention).

In LPS something had to be done. Money needs to come from somewhere... even if it is only .8% of the districts budget. $1.5 - 2.1 million can go a long way, even in a district the size of LPS. With the Legacy Initiative more services can be provided to more students while still saving money in the process.

Once again people......they cannot list any pros to the plan!

Is everyone getting the picture here? Another supporter who cannot tell me the benefits for my daughter...they just want to discount our concerns.

Theres a pattern here. Tell me some benefits PLEASE!!!!

And you can't seem to list any significant, considerable negatives.

to xyz-321 or whatever! You obviously have no children involved in this do you? How about having your kid shoved thru very crowded halls at the new 5/6 with 900+ students how about a 5-mile bus drive for your child, or how about walking into a huge lunch room to look up and see nobody you know!!! You have no idea what this sucky proposal has done,,I will be home schooling

You are right, I don't have any kids. That is because I am a student in LPS. You talk of all these negatives but I don't see how they will have a significant impact on myself or any other students in the LPS district. Sure, some will be moved and others will have to make new friends, but few students will be horribly affected.

Also, regarding the bus ride, I have been through ACAT and MACAT and had those 'terrible' bus rides. They are not that bad. Lastly, I look up in my schools lunchroom and see all these people I don't know and it is great. I know I have an opportunity to make new friends and meet new people.
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