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| amomof2 | Dec 23 2005, 09:29 AM Post #136 |
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xyz-321 - How are you benefitting from this LI? |
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| fyi | Dec 23 2005, 09:52 AM Post #137 |
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The average child is probably not equipped with the coping mechanisms that you seem to have. You are much older. They are expecting this of 10 and 11 year old children. |
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| fyi | Dec 23 2005, 10:27 AM Post #138 |
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BOE, do you see how many "hits" this topic has received in a short period of time. I think more people disagree with your LI than you think. |
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| xyz-321 | Dec 23 2005, 11:09 AM Post #139 |
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I was riding 45 minutes to and from school when I was four years old and going to Webster. Expecting ten to eleven year olds to wait 45 minutes or so until they get home is not that much. The coping mechanisms of people in ACAT or MACAT are no different than those of other students. On another note, the busses which serve ACAT and MACAT students are the same which serve many of Livonia's private schools. Many of those students have the same lengthy bus rides as other students. However, the students of the private schools are not a special accedemically talented group, but the cope with the rides just fine.
Want2move, I suggest you don't use age as a measure of experience or to determine one's ability to judge a situation. There are many people in their 40s or 50s who make poor decisions and lack good judgement. Regarding as to why the other plans were not selected, I think you should read the presentation the Demographics Committee gave. It gives a very clear reason as to why the plan was chosen. However, should you not be able to pick up the reasons, I know some excellent teachers who should be able to help you. Anyway, I think you would still be here whining about the Legacy Initiative should any of the other plans be chosen. |
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| Administrator | Dec 23 2005, 11:58 AM Post #140 |
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It all makes no difference. The recall is obviously going to work. |
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| Want2move | Dec 23 2005, 01:32 PM Post #141 |
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XYZ-321, Believe me, I know all too well about the ability of humans of any age to make poor decisions, my job is mostly based on this sad fact. I’m sorry if you are confused about my statements that simply included your lack of life experience in adult or parental matters. I have heard all of the “pros” as well as the cons to this proposal. The “pros” at this point are theoretical based upon the studies all here have seen. There is much data to also negates these pros and suggests this is the wrong way to go. At this point I’m not sure if this configuration is the best thing since sliced bread, or the next plague to the School system here. The fact the BOE rammed this proposal through so quickly without any REAL input from stakeholders is of great concern. The Demographics committee did not represent we the parents on this matter. It instead represented many people in the LPS system that stand to benefit from this option. Whine? Sorry, that’s what my kids do. My second biggest problem with the proposal was the introduction of a fourth tier to the school day. Both of the other proposals retained the current three tier system, and we were willing to accept either of these options. We were very disappointed when NEITHER of these options were even considered. As Jimid said, this is all useless and amusing banter at this point. Maybe, unlike the BOE, you can post something that is not antagonistic, and actually includes some real insight to the merits of this proposal. We are listening. |
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| mbossio | Dec 23 2005, 01:42 PM Post #142 |
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To XYZ-321: I take exception to your comment that the coping mechanisms of people in ACAT or MACAT are no different than those of other students. That might be true of children your current age, but if may not be true of the younger students, particularly the 9-11 year olds that will be going in to the 5/6 schools. When parents test their childrens to see if they can attend Webster, and they find that their reading skills at 5 years old are comparable to a 19 year old, or their logic and reasoning skills are that of a 25 year old, there IS A difference! I think it's great that you are fortunate that you had the maturity to handle you bus ride at such a young age, but try not to make such generalizations that assume since you could handle it that certainly everyone else can. Also, remember that statistically bullying is at its peak around the 5th and 6th grade. I do remember a few individuals tormenting the crap out of me during that time period of my life and couldn't wait until I got home from school. That bus ride was pure hell, and unfortunately then I was too introverted to get help from people, including my parents. And THAT was a much shorter bus ride. Not every child has the personality to speak out when bad things are happening, and what many of us parents are trying to do is to minimize the opportunities where bad things can happen. |
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| Tyler_Parent | Dec 23 2005, 01:51 PM Post #143 |
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Look what anonymity has done to your manners. Think how it will embolden those cools kids when they get to these new super-sized middle schools. It won't be safe for the "Java programmers" any longer. Doesn't that concern you, xyz? |
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| c3hull | Dec 23 2005, 03:11 PM Post #144 |
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xyz-321, You may be a bright child, but you cannot possibly think like a parent and understand our concerns. Do you have a pet you deeply care about? If so, you’re still miles away. An example for you; talk to a gifted 8 year old at Webster, explain High School issues such as peer pressure and dating. Would you honestly feel like the child fully understood you? I don't think so. You were 8 years old not too long ago. Enough said about your words of wisdom! |
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| c3hull | Dec 23 2005, 06:48 PM Post #145 |
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05357/627019.stm Charter school wins suit vs. McKeesport district Friday, December 23, 2005 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Commonwealth Court has sided with Propel Charter Schools against McKeesport Area School District, ordering the district to grant the group a charter. Last year, the district appealed a Pennsylvania Charter School Appeal Board's order to award South Side-based Propel, a nonprofit organization that has established several charter schools in the Pittsburgh area, the right to open an elementary school in downtown McKeesport. Propel-McKeesport, which has about 180 students in kindergarten through fourth grade, opened in August during the appeal process. Commonwealth Court Tuesday issued a ruling supporting the charter school's mandate. Charter schools are public schools run by independent boards. Students do not pay tuition, but the students' home school districts must pay a fee set by the state |
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| xyz-321 | Dec 23 2005, 07:28 PM Post #146 |
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Mbossio, from my experience, I would say that on average students in ACAT or MACAT are of a maturity and intellectual level of students one year ahead of them. Students who are six in ACAT have 'very long' bus rides daily. These six year old students have a maturity of children around the age of seven (of course this would vary). These students are less mature than the "9-11 year olds" and have no difficulty. Students in the TMI, Trainable Mentally Impared, program take bus rides from cities such as Garden City, Inkster, and Redford to go to Webster! I think we can all agree that mentally impaired children do not have the maturity levels of any students in Livonia's regular programs. The majority of those students cope with the conditions and still go to school! Meanwhile you criticize long bus rides for your students. The majority of you have nothing to complain about regarding the changing bus conditions. Regarding bullying, your claim that bullying is most common in between fifth and sixth grades is wrong. A report released by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development claims it happens mostly between sixth and eighth grades. You can read that report here. I suggest you do your research before posting because you obviously did not research. Pulling data out of the air doesn't make you seem credible and really makes people think less of your opinions. I am sorry to hear that your experiences when you were a student were poor. My solution to prevent bullying on my bus was to simply not associate with the kids who I thought were most likely to bully me and to sit as close to the front of the bus as possible. That worked for me as I never had a problem with bullies. I would also suggest knowing the bus driver. That is very helpful. Tyler_parent, you shouldn't be talking about manners. Let's take the following quotes.
I know teenagers with better manners than that. Come on, you're supposed to be setting an example for kids! C3hull, I honstly don't think any child eight years of age can understand dating. The understanding of those topics comes with sexual and emotional maturity (which obviously don't relate to the Legacy Initiative), not educational and intellectual maturity. However, I think that there are some eight year olds at Webster who I could explain peer pressure too and think they understood. |
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| Crafty | Dec 23 2005, 07:32 PM Post #147 |
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xyz-321, good for you! After reading your posts, I find you mature and well-informed; you certainly have a right to your opinion. Thank you for expressing it. I find it humorous that people suspect you're a board member -- it just shows your maturity. I also find it humorous that your posts are better spelled and punctuated than the others. Kudos to LPS for giving you that education!!! I posted long ago on this site, but stopped because I found the posts monotonous and absorbed. I still check the site, now and then, however, and found your string of conversation the best I've read in a while. Isn't it sad that the members here are so one-sided that they refuse to see any part of opposing argument? They have made their mind to oppose the plan, so that's what they'll do. (Tunnel vision.) You're right; parents make the biggest difference in children's education. This plan can work... it has been decided and we most move forward and positively from here. I found the way you retorted the arguments of the other members most mature. Come on... "Don't you have someone to IM?" That poster obviously doesn't have respect for students... Sad. A quote by F. Scott Fitzgerald: "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise." It should remind us that in these times of contention, while heatedly debating other's opposing viewpoints, we should maintain dignity and respect for that viewpoint and the person expressing it. |
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| Administrator | Dec 23 2005, 07:59 PM Post #148 |
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I agree Crafty. It's too bad that I feel backed into a corner by the timing of the decision. Many others feel the same way, and are frustrated. We would not be here if we were truly givin more input. "Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Lincoln-Douglas debate at Ottawa" (August 21, 1858) |
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| Cindi | Dec 23 2005, 08:31 PM Post #149 |
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Hey there xyz-321--You still never answered me on how many students of LPS participate in the ACAT, MACAT, CAPA AND MSC Programs??? Did you find your answer yet? Indeed.......I'm sure it is the majority of the LPS population...eh? |
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| c3hull | Dec 23 2005, 08:34 PM Post #150 |
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xyz-123, you posted above: C3hull, I honstly don't think any child eight years of age can understand dating. The understanding of those topics comes with sexual and emotional maturity (which obviously don't relate to the Legacy Initiative), not educational and intellectual maturity. Well, I don't think any child in High School can understand topics to the same extent as a parent. If you become a parent one day, believe me, you will not look to children in High School to give you guidence! |
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