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grantmom
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Can someone tell me if Dickinson Center was once a Middle School? If it was how does it compare in size to Riley/Johnson?
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Livonia2252
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There is some confusion on this site:

The new Cooper is not the same Cooper were the Landfill was, and I believe toxic waste that was found was not even by the school, it was over where the driving range was being proposed. Now regardless if your support the proposal or not LPS would not be sending your children to a school were there were toxic risks, hence why they closed the old Cooper. Along with that students have been attending the new Cooper for years!

Yes, Dickenson was also once a middle school, along with Bryant (which was torn down over a year ago) and Lowell. The reason the decided on the new Cooper, was because it used to be a middle school, in the general area, where as all the other schools would be way out of the way.

On the note of landfills you all know that Stevenson High School was built on a landfill as well
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Cindi
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Actually the playing field at Marshall School is on the landfill--the actual buildings are not. If anyone is interested the link is:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/PHA/westbeitz/wbc_p1.html

I assume this is still monitored and tested every couple of years? The landfill operated in the 50's.

I sure have learned alot on this website! I am becoming more informed:)
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Agree that discussion of the Cooper issue should not be swayed by your position on the merits of 5/6. I'm hearing concern here, not so much confusion. Some of these folks weren't aware of the old Cooper being directly across the street from the new Cooper. A few have since driven by, and based on appearances, have not been reassured. The old Cooper is fenced off with imposing contamination warnings.

It’s not in the general area of those living near 5 mile and Farmington road, the center of Livonia, who will now send their kids to Westland. Not digressing to proposal merits, just contrasting the comment that it was in the general area.

The old Cooper was not closed prior to its risks being disclosed, and that really wasn't voluntary, was it? Landfills by definition do not necessarily contain high levels of lead and other toxic waste. Since they haven't tested since 1991, I'm willing to bet that there hasn't been any long term health studies performed on new Cooper students and nearby residents.

The school board would not send our kids there if it wasn't safe. Refer back to no testing since 1991, and no long term health studies. Also, there is no indication that Cooper's safety was researched by the board, or even discussed.

Our history of protecting Michigan residents’ health, regardless of economic impact, is pretty bleak. Back in the early 1970's, our state government and the MDA intentionally and criminally concealed the contamination of our beef and dairy supply, and influenced media coverage to make us believe it was just greedy farmers putting down (shooting) their cattle to drive up prices. It took a MDA inspector to defect/blow the whistle to the USDA in Washington, to finally expose this criminal conspiracy. Those of us that consumed the effected Michigan beef and dairy during that time, if tested for PBB's, would exceed allowable levels for ground beef, even today. PBB's do not pass from your body as many contaminants do, and may be passed to children via breast milk.

If you don't remember the incident, you could probably Google on Michigan, PBB, Fire Master (the PBB laden fire retardant), Grain Master (the grain supplement that was mixed up with that fire retardant), MDA, etc. This case is a common example covered in college environmental science classes.

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Can someone tell me if Dickinson Center was once a Middle School? If it was, how does it compare in size to Riley/Johnson?


Sorry, I don't know how Dickinson’s size compares to Riley or Johnson.
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Livonia2252
Dec 10 2005, 11:49 AM
There is some confusion on this site:

The new Cooper is not the same Cooper were the Landfill was, and I believe toxic waste that was found was not even by the school, it was over where the driving range was being proposed. Now regardless if your support the proposal or not LPS would not be sending your children to a school were there were toxic risks, hence why they closed the old Cooper. Along with that students have been attending the new Cooper for years!

Yes, Dickenson was also once a middle school, along with Bryant (which was torn down over a year ago) and Lowell. The reason the decided on the new Cooper, was because it used to be a middle school, in the general area, where as all the other schools would be way out of the way.

On the note of landfills you all know that Stevenson High School was built on a landfill as well

Livonia2252:

Let's clear up your confusion (you seem to have a lot):

The new Cooper is not the same Cooper. No kidding. It is separated by an entire 2 lane road. I feel so much safer.

Toxic waste WAS found on school property by children and parents. You can read all about it. Google it.

Yes, even after this was found, the students were kept there until Livonia found somewhere else to put the kids. It was not immediately shut down.

As you also know (or should know) 100% safe for our kids (whom we spend our lives protecting) and what is deemed "safe enough" are very different things.

The "new" Cooper has not been tested since 1991. Nor has Livonia made any steps to test it. As long as they don't test it and find out any differently, things can stay this way. Also, since nobody on the board or Demo. Comm. has kids attending or potentially attending this school, I can assure you that it really matters to them very little.

If the "old" Cooper land sells and they build on it, it could be VERY dangerous to our children if the airborne particles make their way past the air filtering system. This is per the EPA, local and state.

Dickenson would not be out of the way, when the kids who are being shipped from 8 and Newburgh could go there and free up space at Riley for those of us at Adams and Roosevelt.

I don't know what kind of landfill Stephenson was built on, but was it TOXIC as Cooper has PROVEN to be?

Livonia 2252: As I said to you in an earlier post, it is really easy to have opinions when it does not have anything to do with you. Until YOU have a child affected by this, mind your own business. Sorry, but true.
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Rose
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Your right fyi. I too, would not buy a house near a toxic waste dump nor want to send my child to a school on top of one.. You go GIRL!
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rooseveltmom
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GrantMom Can someone tell me if Dickinson Center was once a Middle School? If it was how does it compare in size to Riley/Johnson?

I believe that the board members use office space at Dickenson. I don't know if they would vote to let that go. <_<
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MommaMeredith3259
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My child attends Nankin Mills as of now and my husband and I feel that it's not safe to enroll our child in a school that is near a toxic waste site that will soon be exposed. I believe that if the board members think the land is so great than why dont they have a picnic on the old Cooper site. I have nothing against the the current residents but I do have something against my child being exposed to toxic waste that goes "who knows" how far back. Have they really done any research on any of the chemicals that were found on the site? Aparently not if they not only intend to build homes for the elderly over there but also decide to send our children over there. If anyone gave them a glass filled with bleach I have a feeling they would not drink it. I may seem like just another protester, I am, but I believe that I and others who agree have a valid point here. Why on Earth would anyone want to be exposed to TOXIC waste? Let me know what you think.


-Just another concerned mother-
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MommaMeredith3259
Dec 10 2005, 08:22 PM
My child attends Nankin Mills as of now and my husband and I feel that it's not safe to enroll our child in a school that is near a toxic waste site that will soon be exposed. I believe that if the board members think the land is so great than why dont they have a picnic on the old Cooper site. I have nothing against the the current residents but I do have something against my child being exposed to toxic waste that goes "who knows" how far back. Have they really done any research on any of the chemicals that were found on the site? Aparently not if they not only intend to build homes for the elderly over there but also decide to send our children over there. If anyone gave them a glass filled with bleach I have a feeling they would not drink it. I may seem like just another protester, I am, but I believe that I and others who agree have a valid point here. Why on Earth would anyone want to be exposed to TOXIC waste? Let me know what you think.


-Just another concerned mother-

I agree with you. I dont live in the Cooper area...but I understand your point.

There is absolutly no way I would send my children there. Who knows the if the toxic waste would or will effect anything or anyone..but why would you even take the chance. Heaven help us if something did happen down the road to one of our children....as a parent..I would feel so guilty.

The demographic committee say they are doing whats best for the kids...but what they really need to be honest here. They are doing whats best for their own interests. All of us agree that something needs to be done due to the district loosing money. There are other ways to save money without making such rash decisions.

Maybe we can get all the Demographics Committee members who voted for the proposal to buy one of those homes that will be built over there. It was there idea...maybe they should set an example for the rest of us. What do you say about that?

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rooseveltmom,Dec 10 2005
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GrantMom Can someone tell me if Dickinson Center was once a Middle School? If it was how does it compare in size to Riley/Johnson?

I believe that the board members use office space at Dickenson. I don't know if they would vote to let that go. <_<

Why not free up Dickinson, the school board now has 7 elementary schools they could use.
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grantmom
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Livonia2252
Dec 10 2005, 11:49 AM
There is some confusion on this site:

The new Cooper is not the same Cooper were the Landfill was, and I believe toxic waste that was found was not even by the school, it was over where the driving range was being proposed.  Now regardless if your support the proposal or not LPS would not be sending your children to a school were there were toxic risks, hence why they closed the old Cooper.  Along with that students have been attending the new Cooper for years!

Yes, Dickenson was also once a middle school, along with Bryant (which was torn down over a year ago) and Lowell.  The reason the decided on the new Cooper, was because it used to be a middle school, in the general area, where as all the other schools would be way out of the way. 

On the note of landfills you all know that Stevenson High School was built on a landfill as well

No there really isn't any confusion on this site. We know the Old Cooper was torn down but I don't believe placing the children just across the street was a proper solution. When and if the old Cooper site is built upon there is a great concern that toxins could enter the air and correct me if I'm wrong but air particles do travel! This has nothing to do with "landfills" what it does have to do with is "toxic" landills and our children.

As far as the Dickenson Center & Cooper goes, I believe you might be a little confused. If we moved all the students slated to go to Cooper to Riley then took the students slated to go to Riley to Dickenson Center this would seem a much better location of our Upper El Schools. Whereas, Cooper seems to be the one that is not in the "general area".
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grantmom
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rooseveltmom,Dec 10 2005
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GrantMom Can someone tell me if Dickinson Center was once a Middle School? If it was how does it compare in size to Riley/Johnson?

I believe that the board members use office space at Dickenson. I don't know if they would vote to let that go.



If this is the case then they should start packing and move their offices to Cooper since according to them it is such a wonderful building, or might it be too dangerous and too far of a drive. <_<
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gr1
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Does anyone know anything about other elementary schools being built on landfills?

I went to Marshall and as a child I remember some talk about this, but being a kid was just more impressed with all the people with metal detectors walking around.

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Observer -- Originally published December 1, 2005

ONE-TIME COSTS
Freeman asked what sort of one-time costs would be associated with the proposal. Levesque detailed the variety of expenses associated with using fewer buildings. Moving and renovation costs were among those listed.

Levesque anticipated Cooper's updates would be the most expensive.

She estimated it would cost $600,000 to create five classrooms where there are currently three shop classrooms.

http://www.hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...=73229156057602
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What if a good majority of us that are proposed to go to Cooper stand up and say "HECK NO WE WON'T GO" do you think the board might reconsider this proposal. I see that alot of you are conserned about Cooper. All of you should google airborne particles. If you weren't scared about Cooper you should be now. Also do all of you know that the Cooper school that we are proposed to go to has not been tested since 1991. Do you think that they are not testing it on purpose. The Board of Education DOESN'T want to know.
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