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Galbatorix and murtagh are sorcerers; think about it... it makes sense
Topic Started: Jan 8 2007, 03:27 PM (733 Views)
Hadarac
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yes,i guess your right. But it dosnt take the same amount of ebergy...thats all im saying
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Jan 23 2007, 10:43 AM
.... 'bound'...

And that's true. Quite a few times, actually almost every time Eragon has used magic, Saphira has helped. Sorcerers wouldn't have that help, and therefore wouldn't be able to do all that.

eragon doesnt use magic inside of saphira, he borrows energy from her like he could do with plants. murtagh could use sorcery and use thorns energy
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I guess your right, but im not so sure
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Lady Phoenix
Jan 23 2007, 07:14 AM
No, it's not. Riders magic is stronger because they are bound with a dragon.

Yes but if you look into the annals of history, there have been several riders that have perished. But VERY few shades.
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Thats because shades are possed by a extermely strong spirit, and then contorolls them, but a sorcerer isnt poseed by one
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but shades are sorcerers. just possesed sorcerers
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but the spirit gives them thier power
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uhhh.... how are we talking about shades now?
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I would say one thing led to the other. But getting back on topic: I am satisfied by saying that Galbatorix may have know exactly what he was getting into, while Murtagh did not.
Murtagh chose to serve Galby and get all the side benefits he so wanted, now he has to pay the price.
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Lady Phoenix
Mar 9 2007, 05:09 PM
I would say one thing led to the other. But getting back on topic: I am satisfied by saying that Galbatorix may have know exactly what he was getting into, while Murtagh did not.
Murtagh chose to serve Galby and get all the side benefits he so wanted, now he has to pay the price.

I would say getting dragged to Galabatrix by force isn't neccessarily his choice.

Also lets say you are in front of the big guy yourself and he says now swear on oath to me in the AL what are you gonna do slap in the face yell no and run away?

No it was all by force.
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I think it was a mixture of the two, at first it was by choice but later on it became more by force.
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I guess the temptations of having a dragon would be the "choice" part, until he realized the down side later.
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Ya thats what im saying, before he knew the full extent of what would be asked of him, he was all for it, but after he swore the oath and all that he realized how bad it was.
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I have always been on the faction that believes Murtagh had a choice on the matter, I am still one of its supporters.
Through the narrative, and through the character of Brom, the author is transparent in his thoughts as to what may happen, the consequences of a decision made or not made at the time of the event.

Even though I am deadbeat exhausted, I will answer the post quoting the book, then I will attend to other commitments, then go to bed!

First Brom explains the dangers of the existence of a Rider other than Galbatorix:
"The king cannot afford to have A Rider roaming around that HE DOES NOT CONTROL. Galbatorix is the only known Rider alive besides yourself, but he would like another one under his command. [Before he tries to kill you or Roran, he will offer you the chance to serve him. Unfortunately, if he ever gets close enough to make that proposition, it will be far too late for you to refuse and still live." (Eragon, p 197)

Notice the key words in this excerpt: he cannot afford to have a Rider which is not under his control. Murtagh knew of Galbatorix's evil and wicked ways. He knew once before him, he would want to have that power over him.

Before he kills, Galbatorix would OFFER THE CHANCE TO SERVE HIM: So I am sure this was the same proposition he made to Murtagh, either servitude or your life. As simple as that! Thorn hatched AFTER Murtagh had accepted servitude than death, and it was THEN that Galbatorix bound him with his true name.

"Galbatorix wants your willing cooperation. Without that, you're worse than useless to him." SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF YOU ARE EVER FACED WITH THIS CHOICE, ARE YOU WILLING TO DIE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN? FOR THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL DENY HIM." (Eragon 197)

Through Brom we are being told how do things work with Galbatorix. Either you join him or you die. Murtagh clearly explains to Eragon why he ran away from the Empire. He knew in good conscious that Galbatorix did not or could not ever rule, in Murtagh's own words, " he [Galbatorix] didn't possess the mercy or foresight to gain the people's loyalty, and he ruled only through brute force guided by his own passions." (Eragon, 391) So knowingly, he chose to serve him! This is why I cannot buy the story that "he had no other choice." He made an informed decision and chose his life over the thousands that died in the Battle of the Burning Plains.
So when he killed Hrothgar, under Galbatorix's command, he KNEW BEFORE HAND, that killing ruthlessly would be required from him. So I have no pity or compassion for him. HE MADE A CHOICE, so he has to now live with his chioces and the consequences of the same!




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Still, though, if one were not as strong willed as Eragon, you would serve him because, as CACTOOS said, what are you going to do if he asks, say no, because then you know you are submitted to likely torture and sure death.
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