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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 10 2006, 03:01 AM (714 Views) | |
| Wanderfalke | Oct 10 2006, 03:01 AM Post #1 |
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Do you think there is a balance between the three races? Will the next rider affect the balance? And has there ever been such thing? |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Oct 10 2006, 04:29 AM Post #2 |
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there WAS balence before Galby took over. but u know the story of what happened after. the next rider will most likely right the balence between elves, humans, and dragons. Thusly the next rider MUST be an elf. |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 10 2006, 05:13 AM Post #3 |
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But do you really think there has been a balance? I don't. The elfs have ALLWAYS been stronger and better in EVERYTHING. How can you speak of balance then? |
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| Lady Phoenix | Oct 10 2006, 09:09 AM Post #4 |
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I think the balance is not a matter of who is stronger in magic, but having a fair representation of the three races. As IMNC said, Galbatorix was the one who altered the balance in more than one way. The only part of the equation that needs to be balanced as the story stands is an elven Rider. This will even out the odds. Galbatorix/Shruikan} as you see there is no balance here. Dragons and Murtagh/Thorn}}}}} human Riders form the majority, and all evil to boot Eragon/Saphira}}}} Human/Dragon Ayra/Grennie}}}}}} Elf/Dragon Here the balance is equal in all the three as it was originally intended , until Galbatorix messed it all up! :angry: |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 10 2006, 02:15 PM Post #5 |
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But riders are very much like elfs themself! Eragon, for example, seems to have forgotten that he was once human, at least he does not really regret to have been "elfifyed". He enjoys his new position. Human riders loose most of their human attributes. They even take over the elfish standards of moral and lifestyle. Not much human left there. The fact, that Galbatorix was the one who turned evil is only another evidence for elfes beeing superior. |
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| Lady Phoenix | Oct 10 2006, 02:28 PM Post #6 |
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You do have a huge point there Wanderfalke. I'll have to give thought to it and come back to you. Idk, Even though I understad Eragon has changed a lot more towards the elf side, I cannot help but see him as human. I'm biased. :huh: |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Oct 10 2006, 04:00 PM Post #7 |
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the elven morals, such as vegetarianism, are not because they are elves. it is that they are more aware of their likeness to the animals. And Eragon doesn't really ACT like an elf, but his immersion into their culture has caused him to adapt. he is still human when you get past his exterior. |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 10 2006, 05:32 PM Post #8 |
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But once he has lived among elfes for let's say 200 years not very much will be left of the human inside him. Besides, he does act like an elf. No one woud go out of Oromis training without being inflicted. And now imagine a rider being raised and trained from a very young age by elfes... Of course the vegetarianism is an elfish moral. Humans do not consider it as bad to eat meat (again, because they are not capable of using magic and if they did I feel that humans are not as sympathetic with animals. They would starve if they could not eat meat!). |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Oct 10 2006, 06:41 PM Post #9 |
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but it is not elvish. it is because of their attuneness w/ nature. and i dont think that his personality will change in 200 years. he might not be as rambunctios, but that comes w/ age 4 humans 2. |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 10 2006, 06:59 PM Post #10 |
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Well, he definatley has changed, and quite not like a human. To me, he looks far more elfish than human. Take Roran as comparision. He is what I beliefe to be a typicall human in this mediavel setting. He is rough and somewhat raw. Unlike Eragon who has discovered his sense for lyric and singing and stuff. He also tries very hard to get accepted by the elfish socitey, therefore he adopts elfish manners and behaviour. Orin, for example, has not changed at any rate. He is still very much dwarf and, most important, he is proud to be a knurla. Something the human race completly lacks. I have never heared Eragon exclaim proudly to be human! |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Oct 11 2006, 04:44 AM Post #11 |
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the dwarves are the roughest race: the furthest from the elves as can be, besides the urgals (but they don't count. lol). Well past what he LOOKS like, he is just a human rider. i would easily bet that all of the other human riders were similar in behavior. |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 11 2006, 07:23 AM Post #12 |
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But their behaviour is very similar to elfish behaviour. Besides, as we were able to see in Vanir's case, elfes have a feeling of superiority over humans. It changed only after Eragon was transformed. I can understand Vanir very good. Humans are the weakest race. |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Oct 11 2006, 04:55 PM Post #13 |
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So? that has NOTHING to do with balence. and the riders are like the elves because they have simmilar circumstances: they are near immortal and they are proficient in magic. |
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| Lady Phoenix | Oct 11 2006, 05:00 PM Post #14 |
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All I am able to add at this moment, is the fact that Oromis seems to believe and sustained the belief) that humans have been enhanced at the joining with dragons. I cannot remember him ever saying they stopped being humans to become half-elves. |
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| Wanderfalke | Oct 12 2006, 03:40 AM Post #15 |
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That's my point. Riders are like elfes. Only because of that human riders are acccepted by the elfs. Oh, it has very much to do with balance! If one race is feeling superior over the other races, there won't be any balance. A patronizing relation, maybe, but no real equality. |
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