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| Does Arya Love Eragon??? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 23 2006, 06:24 AM (4,536 Views) | |
| Incomer | Dec 6 2006, 12:12 AM Post #301 |
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Candle in the wind is very often putted down. And war is quiet strong wind in my opinion
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 6 2006, 07:25 PM Post #302 |
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Here we go again: "the candles still burns" is a metaphor, and it could mean "there is still hop" "Hope for the Varden, hope for the dragons, hope for Alagaesia, hope for Ayra"Who knows? Elves are not emotional beings, like humans. However, do you remember this; "The elves dropped from the trees and embraced Ayra, laughing in their clear pure voices. They joined hands and danced in a circle around her like children, singing merrily as they spun through the grass. Eragon watched in amazement. Ayra had never given him reason to suspect that elves liked to, or even could, laugh. It was a wondrous sound, like flutes and harps trilling with delight at their own music. He wished that he could listen to it forever" Eldest, 166 So this one of the excerpts that prove Ayra was not one to go all emotional, while Nasuada (who is a human) had no qualms in hugging Eragon. |
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| Hadarac | Dec 6 2006, 07:55 PM Post #303 |
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I agree, she seems pretty emotionless to me, at least from what I can tell, I only remember her laughing one time in the book outside of Ellesmera. And I dont think they were in Ellesmere then. |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Dec 6 2006, 08:46 PM Post #304 |
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is IS a metaphor, but it can have various meanings. if you want, you can take it up with my English teacher. i'll give you her site url if you want even. That line is a paradox. not the scientific one, but the english one. It has more than one level of meaning: one is obvious, and others not so much. I am just stating possible second-level meanings. it doesn't have to meen only one thing. she is only emotional when there are extreme circumstances. i think finding out that someone whom you just thought was dead is pretty extreme. so is seeing your own people after not seeing them for what? 70 years except for brief moments? |
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 7 2006, 11:39 AM Post #305 |
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And I do not understand what is it what you are trying to say? I know it is a metaphor and as such it can have more than one meaning. Which one is the one the author intended, we do not know. We'll have to wait for the last book to know. And if you read my post carefully you would understand that you are re-stating my point. It can have more than one meaning. At this point Ayra's only comment was "the candle still burns". We cannot learn much from the comment, only assume and speculate. And even though she has not allowed any emotions go through at the time, we do not know, (because CP did not add anything else) what she felt. I say this may be the point in which she will have to confront her true feelings for Eragon. Is it really only friendship? Is it more than friendship? BUT THIS IS ONLY MY SPECULATIVE OPINION. It does not mean it is so. For that we need to wait for the next book. |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Dec 7 2006, 10:40 PM Post #306 |
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you were saying that elves are not emotional, and thusly it doesn't have anything to do with love. i disagree with that. if that is not what you meant, i guess your point was not clear enough. you went on and on about her not being emotional and hope, the former seemingly an attemt to solidify it not meaning anything to do with love, and as tp the latter, it doesn't have to have anything to do with hope! that can be one interpretation, but it can also be many other things. maybe that obvious one was to throw us off of alternate meanings? that seems CPish. he did it with Murtagh telling Eragon that his father was Morzan, but that didn't work to well because noone wanted to believe it, so they looked for other evidence. the candle one was a good one i think. very cryptic. that is why it needs to be analized in depth. you can't just throw aside what is so cryptic. and you have to bring it into context. Eragon just appeared, being thought dead or worse. what would go through YOUR head? tg he isn't dead cuz i love him, or the rational, have to conciously do the right thing thought, tg he's alive because he is our last hope? i think that love takes precidence there if there is any, which is a strong possibility. we can not learn much without at least small leaps in reasoning. of course if you don't want to take any, i don't see why you are here. all of this is specualtion and all need leaps in reasoning. we just have to determine which are logical, and which are not. because of many of the alternate meanings for still and burn, added with possible metaphorical meanings of candle, many outcomes have to do with love. hope only works for a few alternate definitions. that is the reason why i think it deals with love. waiting, waiting, waiting. if i was just going to wait, i wouldn't be here right now. lol. |
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 8 2006, 12:15 AM Post #307 |
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First point: Yes, I sustain that elves are not as emotional as the other races, in fact, do you remember this excerpt: "Orik picked up one of the fragments of slate. It was blank. The image had vanished when the tablet broke. He tugged his beard. "In all the decades I've known her, Ayra has never lost her temper like that. Never. What did you do, Eragon?" (Eldest, 386) So as you see, I have evidence to support my theory as elves being very much in control of there emotions. Second point: As I have also agreed that the metaphor used; "the candle still burns" may have more than one meaning. HELLO!!! do you remember this: (AND I AM QUOTING MYSELF) ""there is still hope, "Hope for the Varden, hope for the dragons, hope for Alagaesia, hope for Ayra" Who knows?" And if that is not clear enough for you, then my friend, I do not know what is. Third Point: And I analized only once and on the spur of the moment, and very well and assertive, I should add, contrary to you who took, umm a day to come up with your "explanation." That hardly seems throwing it aside. Last point but not least: How dare you tell me I do not want to take a leap in reasoning. I have more than enough posts and discussions in this forum as well as in Saphira Forums, which show I AM MORE THAN CAPABLE OF TAKING THE LEAP AND REASONING. Otherwise why am I a Moderatore boith here and in S/F? You have absolutely no right to tell me if I should or should not be here. If you have any problem with it, just take it up to Nate. |
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| Elvenwarrior | Dec 8 2006, 10:51 AM Post #308 |
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You know, we assume always that there are these eep hidden messsages in the book like thcandle thing, but you know, im sure he probably didnt put that metaphor or whatever it was with like 6th meanings of words and whatnot, he probably just wrote the book, so those things werent intended. This is all just making assumtionsthat sound more likely to me than what everyonethinks he is coding into the book when he writes. |
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 8 2006, 11:18 AM Post #309 |
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You may be in the right Elevnwarrior, hoever writers do place red herring in their work. Certainly CP has done so in his, . It may be nothing and it may be something. We don't know. I for one, enjoy finding the hidden meanings in stories. And you are also correct in the fat that were are all assuming and speculating, It's fun to do it, not so much when you encounter people who diminish and attack you prsonally though! |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Dec 8 2006, 11:20 PM Post #310 |
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ty for helping me argue my point. Eragon makes Arya emotional. lol. it's so true. it's a good point. and elves as do humans can have overpowering emotions that they can not control. i don't see them as an exception. they have to get to a more extreme level, but they will break at a certain point. it's like a trashbag (lol). the heavy-duty ones can hold more junk before bursting, but they will burst. i was confused because you didn't use the word love in it. ok. i get it now. it was a school day. i was doing work for the majority. i am just sick and tired of you saying wait for the third book! |
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 9 2006, 12:27 AM Post #311 |
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Geez, what part do you don't get IMNC? She did not react in an emotional manner!!!. You are so desperate to see her as a loving, warm, sweet person towards Eragon that you are hallucinating. Wake up, she hasn’t showed any emotion towards Eragon, child. Open your eyes and your ears!!!! You are as desperate as Eragon! |
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| Incomer | Dec 10 2006, 05:08 AM Post #312 |
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:huh: I leave for awhile and you start to fight each other
:P IMNC are you sure that making somebody angry is good way how to teach him to feel emotions? B) |
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| Hadarac | Dec 10 2006, 06:39 PM Post #313 |
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It isnt, i think that that it just another line in the book, i think she ment that the dragon riders could still rise and the forsworn have not died out yet. I think thats what she ment and it has nothing to do with Eragon personally. Calm down both of you |
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| I'MNOTCRAZY | Dec 10 2006, 09:01 PM Post #314 |
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*sigh* i was talking about the OTHER times she has gotten emotional. Why didn't she act more like she did when Eragon brought the flowers to her? |
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| Lady Phoenix | Dec 11 2006, 02:50 PM Post #315 |
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I recall her getting emotional only two times in the books; 1) In Eragon when she thought he was on the side of the Council of Elders, and 2) In Eldest when she breaks the fairth. Other than that, zippo, nada, finite!!! |
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