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SET; Not Rigged!
Topic Started: Oct 22 2007, 01:22 PM (2,621 Views)
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Oct 23 2007, 06:44 AM
Perma Stunners>Rena. Lv3 Ulti on Sanosuke+lv10smash/bash+6 mana pots=No chance in hell she can win. This is of course assuming no one rushes the sanosuke while he's silenced and hiding from rena. :D

But like I said, its a matter of opinion. I will get curse if I damn well feel like it. It's my choice. And doesn't it take more around 400agi to get max atk?

Nope, move speed at around 300 agi and attack speed around 150. And of course to do that with sano needs A: luck or B: no delay.
Goodbye everyone. Heres a list of people who have my respect, if not my love:

Matar, comp, Darkwield, hellpyro, snoboy, pheonix, jim, eliwood, fritos, BB and huspa. Anyone who I forgot, I'm sorry.
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Luck has little to do with it. The only "luck" needed is timing it in a time when your opponent won't go after you and is most likely busy with the other opponents if the mode is ffa or your team could cover you in a teams game.

As for No Delay:
Be the host.
Or make sure they use LC host. :D
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400% increase is the number built into wc3 for max attack speed, you can alter the agi stat to change how much agi it takes to actually get to the 400% increased attack speed/move speed/whatever else.
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Edit: Did Therran just call me a mother fucker? O_O

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400% increase is the number built into wc3 for max attack speed, you can alter the agi stat to change how much agi it takes to actually get to the 400% increased attack speed/move speed/whatever else.

errrr...... no? Attack cooldowns in the object editor work by seconds, ie: .01-infinity seconds between attacks. Unless you are talking about bonuses then Im not really sure, but I think it definatly can go over 400 percent.
Goodbye everyone. Heres a list of people who have my respect, if not my love:

Matar, comp, Darkwield, hellpyro, snoboy, pheonix, jim, eliwood, fritos, BB and huspa. Anyone who I forgot, I'm sorry.
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hmm. My ass hurts just from reading this.

Ok, the curse is DAMN usefull. It is mainly for str heroes that are....well slow. So they need oyashiro to increase their already preposturous damage to max efficiancy.

And warcraft allows up to 900% of almost anything.
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Acctualllyyy, starting out with 0.00, or 0.01 attack speed straight from the world editor doesn't give you the "fastest" attack speed. If you get % buffs, or dramatic agility increasemenets, you can make your heroes attack faster. Though logically it is probably the same attack speed, the animation becomes faster over time thus making it seem as though it is faster; i really havn't "studied" it so im not about to give an aboslute answer . . .

There is no such thing as "early, middle, or late" game; well there is, but not in the terms you're using.

Moverability and range will always wins . . .

If you're playing the game long enough that your heroes are relying on melee attacks to do the bulk of the damage, then you need to stop increasing the kills to 200+; and realize that after 120 you have been playing to long.

It is impossible not to generate "rigged" heroes with freelanced tomes and an surplus of money and experience. It is simply inflation really, the higher your attributes are, the less you rely on your abilities, and the move valuable passive's become. Spathis tried to divert this by using attribute + abilities, but that just makes certain abilities overly riged. It's a lose, lose; really.

The only "riged" hero, is karasu.
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How the hell is Karasu the only "Rigged" hero? NOT including glitches of course. Becuase if we go by glitches, I personally say D is the most rigged. Just keep pumping stats and stats and stats and stats easily having 2000+ in all stats when other heroes have only 1000 in their highest stat.

To name Saito or Naraku as the most rigged? Fairplay and it takes a bit of thoughtto combat that idea. But KARASU? Name a way he's rigged, I'll combat it.

Mobility(Not "moverability") and range are not the ONLY options. Late game, Let's go Axel VS Grave. Grave's mobility is FAR LOWER than Axel's. And his range is basically a 400aoe. But a decent grave such as myself could cast cerebus flare and continue moving while it's casting to be able to damage axel with it. Axel's chakrams would have to be cast over 25-35 times to kill the probabley 12000HP grave. Whereas grave merely would need to use the above idea only two or four times to kill Axel.

D's Vectors are also a counter for range, including things like Saito/Yusuke/Vash/Karasu's ultis.

And please, don't say there is no EML. That's honestly kinda silly. Or atleast, don't state something without SOME kind of logic/reason/information following the statement as to why you would make that statement.

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Karasu isn't rigged, noob.
Explain how there is no EML or stfuplz. Bai.
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so if karasu isnt rigged why did a mass of "quitting" members flock back to suggest how to fix the rigged abilities. btw whitepheonix is one of the better members at AF so its kinda stupid to call him a noob.
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andystebar has slightly angered me! As such there will be no short version of this post! Muhahaha! Just kidding. Scroll down, comp.

---LONG VERSION---

The opinions of the masses aren't always true. The same mass of people you're refering to are(I believe) the same mass of people who continuely complain/ban Gaara/Sango/and X. Along with sometimes Axel/Vicious. Axel I give fairplay on. He's tough in the hands of a decent player, the rest?...no nice comment available.

And for your information, I was raised properly, being:
Respect is earned, not bestowed.

WhitePhoenix will earn my respect when he does such. And having you 'back' him(so to speak) does nothing but urge my disapproval of the chance he may deserve respect. I'm not going to do such thus far, just yet(Assuming I can help it).

The whole "Noob" thing is a quick summed up version of my arguement against him. It about sums up what I was trying to say to him while explaining other things. I did it accurately I'd say.

As for him being one of the 'better members at AF':
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Ok, you're telling me that you actually beat someone in a fan-made video game, made by a stoner college student, in his spare time?

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Those same quitting members though gaara/sango/x are broken. They are teh noobs. Respect is earned, not bestowed. DEAL WITH IT. WhitePhoenix hasn't earned my respect yet. And NOR have you.
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When did Chaos_Lord say that? Saddening i missed that hilarity; regardless, Anime Fight itself is a peice of art work deteremined by the artist, Spathis. Though he might be a stoner; i honestly don't know that is his business. I'd like to think that Anime Fight is an entertaining hobby for him at least.

Glitches are MORE then part of the game . . You except no one to abuse those very glitches? as far as i know D is still worthless and will decide to do whatever he wants whenever he feels like it disregarding orders by the user. Axel can steal from the bank when ever he feels like it, X can dash around indefinently and basicly never get hit, unless you're using an AOE, or Cone-type spell; Karasu can deal 2k+ damage around 100 intel in a giant AOE, Saito can basicly one-shot any hero in the game, Itachi's fireball has about 300+ range more then the actual fire animation, Shall i continue?
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Chaos_Lord said it in the "NoMercy4Ux2" topic.

Anime Fight is without a doubt art. I say this mainly becuase of the amount of effort put into it overtime. This is Spathis' Legacy thus far until he does something as effort-fed as Anime Fight in the 'Real World'.

Most of the things you listed aren't glitchs. Infact only one is.
That isn't the D glitch actually. That part is thanks to a skill called Temptation which INTENTIONALLY auto-untargets D.
The D glitch is running into the maze when you're in your ulti, which allows you to keep the stat boosts from it. It is the single most powerful glitch in the game. Having 4k stats when everyone only have 1200 in their highest stat is truely nice. Even axel can't hit that with jeet-kune-do. Oh and that's not to mention the fact that D can do all that with only needing to spend gold on EXP tomes(To quickly get to lv6, making the boosting much faster) or on STR Tomes so he can suicide into sach's wave and survive sooner, then quickly running to the maze. There are only two things that make this glitch somewhat hard to use:
1. Temptation. It's hard to go Ulti when you can't click the icon or spam the E button fast enough.
2. High damaging heroes. Sure they won't be that great against you later, even saito/karasu. But until you can start suiciding into Sach's waves, they can pretty much keep you from abusing the glitch by killing you.
3. Coolodown. While it doesn't prevent the glitch abuse, it does make it tedious to be watching it every so often to see if it's ready yet.

Axel can only steal from the bank with lv4 or higher blink, :O. Which is a big deal to anyone playing axel seriously. Hell I don't level up blink past lv3 until...I have nothing else to level.

X's is not a glitch. It's called GOOD GAMEPLAY. And by the way: Dash costs mana on a STR Hero(Even if some people DO get INT first). Not to mention it has a slight cooldown and any ranged spells can take it. Not to mention IN YOUR FACE techs like Saito's Zero Stance, Shishio's Guren Kaina, or Vicious's choke still hit even if you dash so long as they were at one point in range to cast it.

Yusuke can deal about the same damage as karasu can, minus the bonus damage from hell, and is faster at charging it(Instant).

Saito is saito. He's unbalanced, not glitched.

Itachi's fireball is indeed a glitch. And it needs to be fixed. If it weren't for the insane range on fire, Itachi wouldn't be as good. Hell you could get in range to cast Gatotsu Stance One on him with saito. As it stands, you can't currently becuase of fire's lolrape range.

So yes: Continue. :D
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By X glitch he is talking about the fact that you can make dash cost 0 mana.
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By using the STOP command? Yeah but still, IN YOUR FACE techs or a decent vash can easily counter Dash. I've done so on several occasions. Personally, I'd say dash doesn't go far enough to him to perma-kite, unlike axel. Oh well.
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If you know the axel glitch you could just get level 4 blink quicker . . . Yusuke can't get anywere close to the power of karasu, im assumig you're talking about his ultimate? which drains ALL of his mana? Karasu's ultimate does abosrb mana, but its in a huge aoe, not a line. X's dash can be glitched not only to remove all of the mana, but the cooldown; so unfortunatly for you, you are wrong. You can dash around the board indefinently, making it impossible to target him without and line-type, cone-type, or aoe-type spells. Saito isn't glitched or riged, i just felt like including him to see what response you would get, because if you recall i said the ONLY riged hero was Karasu. Itachi is the easiest hero to use, and abuse; other then that it just a matter of really knowing you to use the hero you got to beat him. .
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Easiest to use? I personally find sango to be the easiest to use. Oh well.

I didn't know it removed the cooldown, but either way it's not instant warp to the location and you can predict where he will land. Saito's gatotsu stance three can be used to end it in the event he get that close. Stance Three, Stance One, Stance Zero. But of course, the element of surprise is always helpful. Being able to move before a duel could grant you the ability to get in range for zero stance before X can move, assuming you're clever enough to make sure X can't abuse the glitch also. Not to mention the fact that if you cast your spell WHILE X is dashing, you can easily hit him with it assuming it has any amount of range and that you can aim it properly.

As for the Axel Glitch, I haven't seen Axel be allowed to use the glitch without being kicked ONCE other than in my games. But in the event you go for tele 4 asap...Well, you'll find people can always guard the bank, feeding off you and each other while stopping your major income. And if you go to the arena to fed off creeps? Well then some will warp to the arena, some will stay there becuase others will still be there. One weakened hero dieing to a newly warped hero while weakening that hero and thus repeating the cycle.

Yusuke's ulti can go the exact same amount of damage as karasu, minus the bonus damage(as I said before). If I recall, Yusuke's ulti is 3*current mana. Which is the same as Karasu's(3*charged mana) unless you're using potions. Yusuke's ulti is faster and instant. You can't run from it unlike karasu's ulti. The moment karasu casts, Dash, Blink, or just have boots and run out of the aoe. Yusuke's ulti is nearly instant damage and almost cannot be ran from. So all in all, Yusuke's ulti has more speed(No needed charge time, instant damage) whereas Karasu's has more damage and optionability so to speak(Charge/Bonus damage).

Anyways, I think all in all, the glitches in this game are fine and can even be used to even out the game. IF Monitored. For example, D has a very hard time becuase he has very small early game ability. Thus if you let him use the Stat boosting glitch two or three times, he can have a good chance against everyone.
Or you can let axel abuse the bank glitch for three decent reasons:
1. He lost his hero/wants to change over and you OK it. He offers what level his hero was and what he had pumped and how much. EX: lv12, 135STR, 155AGI, 70INT(bad estimations really). So you would say that person is allowed to get 15k gold and must spend it as follows: 5k in both STR and AGI(Or whatever stat they want if they're picking a new hero). and the other 5k in EXP. Which would get that person close to what they had before the ever-so-bad glitch.
2. It's late game and he didn't get the Early Game advantage he normally would. You say Axel can get about 3-5 coins to make him have a better chance in the game.
3. My personal favorite: Someone is doing badly in the game. And they have no hope without some kind of special help. Let's say they're Aoshi and Shishio(2 players). And everyone else is Grave, Saito, Naraku, Axel(You), and Karasu and everyone both Aoshi/Shishio are doing well. So you make them both a deal. And you make it clear to everyone else in the game as well. You, as axel, bankrob and get about 60k gold. You have both players trade heroes with you and you spend 30k gold in whatever way they want on their hero, then trade back. And repeat the process with the other hero. Now they have a chance to still win the game and be useful. And everyone is happy, so long as everyone agreed and you didn't OVERPUMP them too much.

I've done number 3 on most cases it gets to a 150 game and someone is Axel and hasn't left the game thus far.
Likewise I've done number 1 on a few occasions to. For some reason your hero doesn't respawn from the glitch even if you type -fix.

Anyways, that's about all there is to say.
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